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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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hey guys ryan sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies for a very

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special live stream for you tonight we

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have joining us in just a moment

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christopher plane the head science

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writer for the debrief we're going to

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talk all about all his latest articles

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what's to come at the debrief everything

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from space and tech and defense ufos

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even coffee and astrology but we will

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get to that shortly before we do any of

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that i've got a little talk shop here

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for you guys the super chat is open if

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you want to help out somewhere in the

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skies and get your comments highlighted

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your questions asked on the show right

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now live with christopher plane um be

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sure to do the super chat help us out

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every little bit counts show is always

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free to consume

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it's not free to create so any help is

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always appreciated um one other thing

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check out this new t-shirt i just got in

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appropriate way but in a business sense

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the free merch i love it if you can't

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tell the coffee cup is actually area 51

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which i thought was really cool design

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um so yeah go check them out get your uh

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morning and evening buzz with black

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triangle coffee but enough of that

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let's get to it um he needs no real

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intro he is one of the funniest guys

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i've ever met he's one of the smartest

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guys i've ever met and that is why he is

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the lead science writer over at the

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debrief so without further ado let's

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bring him in

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christopher plane

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welcome to the show my man

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what's going on my good man good to see

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you as always happy to be here i'd just

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like to point something out before we

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get started people if you are watching

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live ryan has made it clear that he

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doesn't live off of this the super chats

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those sort of money things money he

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makes off of his books he reinvested

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into going out and meeting other

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experiencers putting on these podcasts

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so you're not paying dudes rent you're

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paying for more content for yourself so

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uh don't be afraid to click on those

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things and i don't get a penny of it

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either so

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not yet we'll see yeah yeah your cuts

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noon man yeah yeah once we hit it big

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time but no i really appreciate that um

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let's say hello to some of our people in

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the chat we got christina gomez here

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terry dope knows joseph um

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is here so welcome to all you guys thank

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you for joining us again like we

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mentioned super chat is open um but no

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more of that talk chris let's get to the

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meat of things man um we we're we're

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gonna talk about all your latest

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the room the news about this new

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pentagon group uh before we do that

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though chris have you uh were you able

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would love if you would share it my man

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absolutely i'm going to go ahead and

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play that clip right now jazz is here

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chrissy newton welcome we got a bunch of

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i love it i love it it's a party well

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pentagon spokesperson i hate getting

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titles wrong with people um so let's go

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ahead and play that chris and we'll uh

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office that was created by deputy

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officials who had worked on this issue

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pentagon to be less transparent on uaps

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on the first one um i can't i can't

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i'd refer to those members but uh but we

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absolutely kept members of congress

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this group together and and announced it

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um and it is

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designed to help us better coordinate

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reports themselves and the analysis of

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getting them sort of piecemeal and ad

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hoc as we've been getting them from uh

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from the from the services um this is a

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way to coordinate the the input so that

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there's a common set of parameters for

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how to report them and to analyze them

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themselves in something that we consider

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certainly continue to be as transparent

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as we can about uh these phenomena and

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uh and and the impact that they may or

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may not be having

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on our ability to operate is there any

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specific commitment to release some data

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these to the public at some point

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something beyond a briefing to congress

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report to to announce today that on any

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intention is to be as transparent about

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uh this phenomena as as we can again try

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this understanding that um

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security considerations that we have to

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all right man so again we're getting uap

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briefings this has been happening for

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about a year now so yeah while it's uh

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exciting it's kind of becoming a new

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norm which is really cool and you know

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kudos to that journalist um for doing

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his homework knowing melon knowing

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elizondo bringing up their names i was

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um we only saw the reporter doing that

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clip but when he mentioned the names

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had the biggest smirk on his face

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apparently that's what i heard from

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another reporter that was in the room

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that day um the room where it happened

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and melanie are super popular with these

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bunch of work maybe they didn't want to

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do and having press conferences maybe

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they didn't want to do and talking about

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a topic they've successfully avoided

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talking about for a long time so i can't

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imagine one of those guys is super

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popular in the pentagon right now

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exactly well you know and kirby again

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kind of talking around the question as

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they always do um not making any

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promises that anything will be

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transparent with this let's get the name

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right aoi msg the uh airborne object

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identification and management

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synchronization group jesus man like

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what an acronym oh and if you're trying

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i mean like i don't know how intentional

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it is i'm not a conspiracy guy but if

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you're trying to like remove attention

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from something giving it all a super

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unpronounceable uncool name i mean a

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swap was easy a tip was easy galileo is

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memorable

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aoi msg i i can't i have no way to

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pronounce it to keep it on the zipline

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zone no way i know i feel like we're uh

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we're eating chinese food or something

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yeah right

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america otherwise new msg

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or medicine square garden yeah i guess

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yeah right yeah

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what do you think man now we have um you

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know currently we have this gillibrand

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amendment which i believe is being

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toiled over as we speak within uh

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congress with this authorization act um

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hopefully something will come of it

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because from the wording in that

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amendment it sounds amazing

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um apparently worded by christopher

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mellon himself and adopted by gillibrand

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many senators are backing her up on this

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thing and i know right now it's one of

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those ones being argued over in congress

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that's going to hold a lot of

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intelligence agencies and departments

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and military branches accountable for

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bringing uap information forward that

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a lot of groups that haven't done so in

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uap task force the cold shoulder when

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they asked them for information but she

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said no nope you're not getting out of

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it easy this time uh but then all of a

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sudden out of nowhere right before

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thanksgiving the defense department

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drops this news um this is the successor

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to the uap task force so we kind of knew

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it was coming um in so much in so many

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words but um not like this and not in

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such a vague weird way like why why do

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you think they dropped this news right

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when we're in the middle of this

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gillibrand amendment thing you know the

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timing is a weird question there's no

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doubt about it i don't know that i have

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a good answer but here's what i picked

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and it kind of goes with what you're

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saying uh he talked about

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the fact that they've been working on

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this for a while and i i think those of

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us that read the uap task force report

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got the impression that more work was

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going to come from that that we were

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gonna get some sort of follow-up there

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and when he's talking about it uh he

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mentioned that

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members of congress have have i don't

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know the wording he used but kind of

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been kept up to date or or kept apprised

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of this process and what's so weird

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about that i don't know which members of

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congress he's talking about but one of

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the co-signers on the gila brand

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amendment is marco rubio and he's one of

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the people that seems to have been at

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the spearhead of getting the uaptf to

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even happen in the first place and to

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get the issue studied by the pentagon in

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the first place so

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it seems weird that you would be

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keeping

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you know rubio and others are prized as

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you're making progress on

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towards this announcement towards this

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creation of the aoi msg

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and at the same point that senator is

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independently working with other members

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of congress to get a

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congressional oversight sort of office

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in place

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uh that's looking at the same thing

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so i found that really odd and

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interesting that he would say that it

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does make you know you know tim mcmillan

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who i work for over at the debrief and i

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don't want to breach any confidences but

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one of the comments he made about all of

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this recently in our group chat at work

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is that uh people don't uh especially in

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government the right hand doesn't always

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know what the left hand is doing so

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i think when in doubt when choosing

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between

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conspiratorial thinking and disorganized

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procedure i usually tend towards people

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just being disorganized and not having

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their act together

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that's what it seems like yeah yeah i do

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think

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here's what i would i would tell

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everyone the place we continue to put

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our energy and support is the amendment

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and this is why and i'm not against this

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pentagon program i think it's a great

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idea

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if they want to pursue it and follow up

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on the work they were assigned to do i

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mean that uaptf report more or less said

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more information more work more budgets

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you know more to do

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so having them follow up on that is fine

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the way i see this is two competing

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opportunities here

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one

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seems very american

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one is run by congress who are the

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representatives of the people

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that offers congressional oversight

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which is effectively the oversight of

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the people

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and by creating that and by telling us

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there will be regular reports and

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regular analysis we're all grown-ups we

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can take a report from that group that

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says okay we we blacked out a few things

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here for national security or a couple

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of these cases we're not going to talk

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about that were i unidentified before

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because you know

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whatever top security reasons we're

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adults we can handle them what we're not

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gonna sit tight for is the pentagon

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swooping in

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taking the whole thing over and sending

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us back into the chamber of silence

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because

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that reeks of not just cover-up but of

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many possible things going on every

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conspiracy theory from

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uh the us air force has a secret project

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to some military contractor like the

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tower lockheed martin has some secret

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craft too we're in collusion with aliens

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you name the conspiracy theory you slam

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that cone of silence back down on this

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thing uh that's where we're going and i

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think it's gonna get really

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uncomfortable for people in the pentagon

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because i don't see

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this backing off this pressure's only

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been going one direction

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so

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i i think they've put themselves in an

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interesting situation but i can tell you

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as an outsider uh

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i highly prefer the one from congress

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that offers reports and accountability

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and the ability to vote the people out

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of congress that aren't doing the job we

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like and put the people in there doing

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the job we want that's that feels

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american to me uh the military's

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swooping in and saying that we're gonna

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take over this whole investigation we're

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gonna keep it all in house we may or may

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not share stuff with you guys we may or

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may not but uh we're taking over uh

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that's very draconian and very scary and

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smells like the last 70 plus years to me

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exactly man it's just echoes of

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everything we've seen and heard before

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chrissy says ryan and chris do you think

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it's gonna get worse um

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i don't know i i mean i when i first

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heard about this thing this new

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new group with the ridiculous acronym i

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was super pissed and i'm like are you

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serious like really you're gonna do this

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right now and of course it's what

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mainstream media picked up no one picked

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up on the gillibrand amendment barely

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maybe for like a day but then you know i

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mean what is what happens i go home for

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thanksgiving i've got uh my dad being

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like did you see this and showing me the

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cnn article about this dumb msg thing

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and i'm just like oh no that's not the

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real story here that's not the real

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story ryan you know you work over with

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me at the debrief a little peek inside

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the news business since i'm still pretty

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new to it but in a lot of ways places

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like cnn and these other places they

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reported so heavily on the ua ptf coming

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out at the end of june that in many ways

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this is a natural thing to do in news is

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when the gila brand amendment came out

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it was kind of collaterally related but

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this was direct this is the pentagon the

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same people that issued that first

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report are coming out saying here's the

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action steps we promised in that report

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so it's a natural

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news thing to cover it as a follow-up

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the timing i agree is definitely suspect

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it's a little weird uh it feels like uh

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i think a lot of us would have liked to

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seen the amendment pass

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and then if the pentagon jumped up with

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this a week or two later and said hey by

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the way

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we're still following up on the work we

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were assigned to do and the work we

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promised and we're putting the whole

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task force on it we've given it a stupid

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name but we're gonna do it

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i think we would all feel like all right

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you guys are on to something here but uh

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but yeah coming out

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as congress is fighting to get this

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amendment through and again an amendment

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that offers public reports and

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mechanisms of accountability for the

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american public uh yeah it's definitely

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not a not a good timing that's for sure

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not only that chris you got this whole

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idea of trans medium craft as well in

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the gila brand amendment which was

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uh in my opinion historic for a congress

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person to say we want to look at

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transmedium craft we want to look at

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crash retrievals i mean those things

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were blowing my mind and you're not

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hearing any of that with this pentagon

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thing they're just again talking about

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national security threats with aerial

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vehicles blah blah blah china russia

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drones and it's so boring man but then

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we've got this ambitious thing happening

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on the side that just

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i don't know i'm worried you know the

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more i i speak to jazz shaw who has

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covered this immensely and also tim

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mcmillan at the debrief immensely um

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i um

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i just hope it doesn't lose steam and i

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hope it passes um i'm waiting minute by

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minute to hear what's going on if jaz

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has any updates for for us let us know

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my man um like i wouldn't you know ryan

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i wouldn't be surprised on this and keep

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in mind the military's job is to do what

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they're doing right look for threats so

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i i wouldn't be surprised if the

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military would love to be done with this

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right they would love to do their own

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internal study and come out and say

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either

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okay

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china or russia or somebody has

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leapfrogged us and we're seeing some

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scary drones that can go mach 15 and

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have no propulsion or these other things

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or

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come back and say

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kind of what the uaptf said which is

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there's stuff out there we're not really

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sure if it's a threat

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so that makes it not our problem and i

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think the military would love to do that

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i think they would love to be done

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looking at this issue because the truth

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of the matter is

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for most people that have been following

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this they know that the military has

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been dealing with this since the late

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1940s i mean i tell people all the time

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go watch the documentary ufo it's a it's

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a drama dramatized documentary from 1956

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and what they did is looked at the

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problem that they were having you know

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and they were analyzing in blue book and

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that whole movie is really

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the military seeing stuff flying around

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it has maneuvers we can't replicate

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there have observables and the end of

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that the documentarian who made that

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pretty much makes a speech that says

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if it's not ours

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and it's not russia's

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what's left

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right

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and i still think that the military

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would love to get to that point where

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they can say we have ruled out a threat

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we know it's not russia we know it's not

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china

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and if it is our own secret project

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we're not going to tell you because it's

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that's not a threat

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and

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haven't blown us up in the 70 years or 7

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000 years or whatever it is they've been

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visiting if it is of them

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uh so that's not our problem you guys

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scientists go figure it out congress you

534
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go figure it out not our problem

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so that's where i'm hopeful here i'm

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hopeful that the military will do their

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job and either rule in or rule out

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chinese russian or other foreign drones

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and if they come to the conclusion that

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it's not that

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and that it's not ours or at least not

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ours they're willing to report on and

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they wash their hands at that point and

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say that's all we'll give you we're the

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military we don't know it's for

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scientists and nasa and other people to

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figure out well what do you know we got

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scientists in nasa looking at the

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problem and we have potentially congress

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00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,320
looking at it so

551
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,000
i wouldn't be surprised to see us go

552
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,400
along two tracks for a while and then

553
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:06,080
have the military say all right we're

554
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,080
out of this problem the flip side of

555
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,000
that of course is if the military has

556
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,600
all these

557
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,000
videos and photos and things that guys

558
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,840
like elizondo and reid and others have

559
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:17,039
pointed to

560
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,640
at some point they're gonna have to deal

561
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,400
with that that's an information bubble

562
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,240
we know it exists too many people have

563
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,880
pointed it out so uh that is a problem

564
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,640
that they have for sure

565
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,960
absolutely man and like you you

566
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,480
mentioned science which is what we're

567
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,400
going to talk about a lot tonight which

568
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,960
i'm really excited about but um we have

569
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,240
scientists

570
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,799
looking at uap now more serious than

571
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:40,720
ever we have the galileo project i know

572
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:43,840
you you have covered this um over at the

573
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,000
debrief and um

574
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:49,440
and and we have you know a bunch of

575
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:53,120
people scientific coalitions for the scu

576
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,960
yeah yes

577
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,200
so that that's what excites me most man

578
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,360
again it's not about the military and

579
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,080
the threat angle for me it's it's

580
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:03,760
actually empowering a lot of these

581
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,640
scientists to now be like huh there

582
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,200
might be something to this it's not as

583
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,760
crazy to talk about um maybe we could

584
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:13,919
get some funding to look into it more

585
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,000
right if you're somebody else thinks

586
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:18,559
it's not a threat if you're somebody who

587
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,200
thinks it's not russia and it's not

588
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:23,679
china and or a foreign adversary and you

589
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,280
think it is potentially a non-human

590
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,760
technological intelligence uh the more

591
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:32,400
people looking at it the better so

592
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,360
yes

593
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:36,320
i still feel like there's this big box

594
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,080
of goodies the military isn't sharing

595
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,640
with everybody but i do feel like if we

596
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:42,960
go down the path of the gila brand

597
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:44,799
amendment if we continue down the path

598
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,520
of nasa and these other organizations

599
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:49,679
somebody will get to evaluate that

600
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:52,960
information at some point we will all

601
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,159
get our hands on it that's my belief

602
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,559
i hope so man i'm with you and i i

603
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,320
believe strongly that it's going to be a

604
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,120
crazy 2022 and probably even a crazier

605
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,760
2023 but um we're getting ahead of

606
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,679
ourselves i want to rewind if you don't

607
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,480
mind

608
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,360
um let's go back to the beginning

609
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,280
the very beginning of christopher

610
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:16,159
plane's existence the glimmer in your

611
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,520
mother's eye um how did you first get

612
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,320
interested in ufos what brought you into

613
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:24,159
this crazy community that we call

614
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,080
ufology so uh i've talked previously

615
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,000
about my own

616
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,000
if you want to call it uh experience or

617
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:34,640
whatever it really just was i was seven

618
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,679
years old it was the spring of 77

619
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,640
and

620
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:40,799
i saw what could be described as the

621
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,440
exact triangle from the photo that tim

622
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,679
mcmillan that that artist rendering like

623
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,600
the three lights in the corner

624
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,679
going really i really really high up in

625
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,760
the sky like airplane height and just

626
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,600
cruising along the sky and there was

627
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,600
someone else there a couple other people

628
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,960
there and i've confirmed with at least

629
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,960
one person that it's not some made up

630
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,799
childhood memory something i really saw

631
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,440
but i didn't really ever have

632
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,279
perspective you know at that point in

633
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,279
time it was right before star wars and

634
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,760
close encounters of the first uh third

635
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,240
kind both came out that year so although

636
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,400
there was science fiction things about

637
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,799
aliens and people from other worlds from

638
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,120
the 50s or whatever there wasn't really

639
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,279
a ufo

640
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,360
culture at least that i was aware of at

641
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,200
age seven

642
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,679
in that fall after i just turned eight

643
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,919
years old and i've mentioned this before

644
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,159
a television network television show

645
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,640
came on called in search of

646
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,720
and what in search of was the easiest

647
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,640
way to describe it is it was the

648
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:41,520
predecessor to ancient aliens it was

649
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,159
hosted by leonard nimoy who played spock

650
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:46,559
in the original star trek series

651
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:50,320
and they would look at ufos loch ness

652
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,760
monster ghosts bermuda triangle

653
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:55,760
pyramids you name it stuff that all

654
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,640
falls under that kind of ancient aliens

655
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,120
uh you know mystery scientific mystery

656
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,760
sort of uh phenomenon but there's no

657
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,400
doubt that the bulk the the topic they

658
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:08,799
covered the most was ufos

659
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,360
and they covered it right there in that

660
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,880
first season

661
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,200
and i saw it with my father and we were

662
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,799
watching it together

663
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:18,720
and it just became something we were

664
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,279
both interested in we both went you know

665
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,960
it seemed

666
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,120
viable that

667
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,799
beings from another planet might be here

668
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,279
and it also seemed viable that secret

669
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,120
technology was being developed some my

670
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:33,039
father impressed upon me at a very early

671
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,080
age

672
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:37,919
in 1980 in that same series

673
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,039
uh jesse marcel came on

674
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,279
and he gave that interview clip that we

675
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:46,320
see a lot those interview segments where

676
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,000
he went out to uh um corona ranch and he

677
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,320
walked around where he had found the

678
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:54,320
crash debris outside of roswell new

679
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,600
mexico

680
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:56,720
and

681
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,200
it was so compelling to hear him talk

682
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:02,400
about trying to burn it trying to cut it

683
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,159
the memory metal and his firm belief

684
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:08,720
that it was not a crashed balloon or

685
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,440
human craft and that stuck with me and

686
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,840
that added that fuel on top of

687
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,000
everything else and i tell people all

688
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,559
the time in a pre-internet era i lived

689
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,720
in the bookstore i lived in the library

690
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,880
in the 80s as well as in the 90s but

691
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,960
particularly in the 80s

692
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:26,880
getting everything i could gathering

693
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,440
every john mack book and bud hopkins on

694
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:31,919
abductions gathering every

695
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,480
j allen heineck book or stanton

696
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:36,880
freeman's work any of that stuff i could

697
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:39,679
get because there wasn't really uh there

698
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,960
wasn't podcasts there wasn't ufo

699
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,120
channels there was no ryan sprague

700
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,200
somewhere in the skies out there talking

701
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,960
about it bringing on

702
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,279
top researchers and people to talk about

703
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,360
it you really have to kind of piece this

704
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,440
story together on your own and it was a

705
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,240
pretty lonely exploit i wasn't i wasn't

706
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,559
a lonely kid but when it came to my ufo

707
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:02,240
interest i could discuss it with my

708
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:03,120
father

709
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,559
he would definitely

710
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:07,120
help me get books and entertain the the

711
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,159
interest

712
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,679
but uh

713
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:12,080
yeah it really wasn't until

714
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,600
you know

715
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,679
last couple year really last summer i

716
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,520
tell people all the time i kind of wrote

717
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:19,440
this thing all the way through the the

718
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,120
um press club event in 2001

719
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,760
uh the dr greer press club event so for

720
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,559
a good 20 plus years i followed it

721
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,640
really clear uh close and when that

722
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,159
event kind of

723
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,799
brought all these great witnesses pilots

724
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:36,720
and and uh air traffic controllers

725
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,679
military witnesses police officers to

726
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:41,919
one place and they laid out

727
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:44,960
to that point the most compelling case

728
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,480
for a real phenomenon a real situation

729
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,120
crafts displaying the observables the

730
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:54,080
five six observables whichever you like

731
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:57,919
and uh that being a real thing as a

732
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:00,799
matter of fact even back in the 70s

733
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,159
when a george lucas made i'm sorry

734
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,320
steven spielberg made a close encounters

735
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,520
of the first uh third kind

736
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,159
there's a scene really early on in the

737
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,440
movie

738
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,279
uh right near the beginning where you

739
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,799
see a room full of air traffic

740
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:18,000
controllers

741
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,760
talking to a plane and this the one

742
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,159
pilot kind of spots a light and it's a

743
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,320
really it's a really gripping well done

744
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,279
scene

745
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,120
that shows what these guys are going

746
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,880
through talking to pilots of two

747
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,279
different planes who are seeing this and

748
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,679
it zips by one of the planes and we kind

749
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,200
of hear the static through the radio and

750
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,360
everything and the reason i find that so

751
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:40,880
compelling is

752
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,919
uh steven spielberg cast those were all

753
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:46,000
real air traffic controllers in that

754
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,880
room

755
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,279
and they all said that they've either

756
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,360
witnessed or talked to pilots or other

757
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,200
air traffic controllers who have

758
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,000
witnessed that exact same circumstance

759
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,000
so rather than spielberg creating

760
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,080
something out of whole cloth he went to

761
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,679
people who have experienced it and

762
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,760
essentially wrote the scene off of what

763
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,159
they experienced and

764
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,320
any time that movie's on even if i don't

765
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,320
get through all of it i try and watch

766
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,240
that scene because you see and hear the

767
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,320
voices of these real air traffic

768
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:16,880
controllers essentially reenacting what

769
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,760
they've experienced in the 1970s with

770
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,520
these craft it was really an awesome

771
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,080
sequence that is so cool man i know i

772
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,320
remember vividly that scene you know

773
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,399
they report they sort of say what's

774
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:30,240
going on and then in the control room

775
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,760
it's like

776
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,159
do you want to report a ufo yeah you run

777
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:36,000
a report a ufo and then there's a big

778
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:37,760
pause and then

779
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,669
i don't want to report one of those

780
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:47,200
things either

781
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,799
and then they come back to the first and

782
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,559
they go would you like to file any sort

783
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,320
of report he goes i wouldn't know what

784
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,799
kind of report to file tower

785
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,720
well such a great scene and i didn't

786
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:57,919
know that through air traffic

787
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:00,880
controllers until the magic of uh amazon

788
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,520
x-ray i was watching the movie on amazon

789
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,520
one night i was moving my cursor around

790
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,600
it to check the data on x-ray and have

791
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:10,159
this whole paragraph about the real

792
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,679
traffic controllers and their real

793
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:13,760
experiences so

794
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,799
you know i picked that up 45 years after

795
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,559
the first time years after the first

796
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:20,320
time i whatever i first saw that movie

797
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,039
so

798
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,360
yep close encounters of the third kind

799
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,360
trivia some

800
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,600
40 years later i love it man well and

801
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,000
you know people point out that francois

802
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:32,000
truffaut in that movie essentially was

803
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:33,120
playing

804
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,799
um

805
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:36,720
who am i thinking of the

806
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:38,799
jacques valet he's basically portraying

807
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,760
chocolate jay allen heineck appears in

808
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:42,880
the movie

809
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,159
i mean spielberg had as much information

810
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:48,240
as you could have in the 70s when he put

811
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,080
that together on the five observables on

812
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,080
the thing interfering with electronics

813
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,240
and the vehicles on he portrayed all

814
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,320
those things in that movie so there's

815
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,480
definitely some horror corny kind of 70s

816
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,559
elements in that movie and some some

817
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,399
kramer versus kramer kind of family

818
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:06,880
drama in the movie but at its core it's

819
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,080
it's my favorite ufo movie by far well

820
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:12,080
and it made me look at mashed potatoes

821
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,039
never the same again right um well chris

822
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,600
what do you before we move on what do

823
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,600
you make of that what spielberg did with

824
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:21,519
this movie why do you think

825
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,640
he

826
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,480
made this movie do you think a lot of

827
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,240
people i really like that

828
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,000
you know isn't i i believe that's an

829
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,080
information thing yeah yeah i think

830
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:32,240
james fox once said that steven

831
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,919
spielberg was the one that pointed him

832
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:36,640
to the ariel school uh incident

833
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,640
uh yeah and i think that you know

834
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,200
when you're in show business the people

835
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,200
i have the chance to work with and be

836
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,440
around that are actually on camera types

837
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,279
people love telling you stuff you're a

838
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,919
celebrity i can't wait to tell you you

839
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,600
know i think there's even a famous story

840
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,480
about uh uh president nixon telling uh

841
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,799
jackie gleason or so you know jfk one of

842
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,799
these guys telling jackie gleason about

843
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:03,120
ufos and bodies or something but it's

844
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,159
true

845
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,799
and so in putting that movie together

846
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,200
spielberg was talking to i mean if if

847
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,360
it's 1976 and you're

848
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,200
working behind the scenes on that movie

849
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,960
and you're talking to jay allen heimik

850
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,120
and jacques villa i mean you're pretty

851
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,200
much as high up the ufo letters you're

852
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:22,559
going to get in the 70s and yeah i think

853
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,000
he really tried to portray

854
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,320
what people were really experiencing in

855
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,200
a dramatized fashion with his own kind

856
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,200
of neat take on what the conclusion

857
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,640
might be

858
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,720
yeah yeah and you've got shades of

859
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:39,679
project serpo in there as well so as

860
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:42,399
usual it's fact blending with fiction

861
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,760
when it comes to ufos but um well hey um

862
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,760
before we move on to how you got into

863
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,919
the debrief um we should mention the

864
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,600
blaster and the poster in the background

865
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,200
people in the comments are

866
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,000
commenting on such i love the revenge of

867
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,120
this uh sorry revenge of the jedi the

868
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,440
original title um

869
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,159
so i assume you're a big star wars fan

870
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:05,760
i'm just gonna i don't know what star

871
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,080
wars is ryan but i keep hearing about it

872
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,440
sounds great um yeah you know uh when i

873
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,399
was young again you go back to 1977 i

874
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,159
was eight years old so i was perfectly

875
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,600
primed for star wars to come out and

876
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,679
back in those days a good movie could

877
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,720
stay in the theater for a year so there

878
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,679
was basically a 12-month con of me

879
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,519
trying to get my parents to take me to

880
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,440
that movie over and over and i

881
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,519
successfully saw it six times in the

882
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,480
theater in 1977 in the beginning of 78

883
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:38,159
which was a huge accomplishment among

884
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,679
the other third and fourth graders i'll

885
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,519
have you know but uh

886
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,159
yeah star wars it's just uh

887
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:46,880
i like epic storytelling i like that

888
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,600
hero's tale i like the structure of the

889
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,399
iliad and the odyssey which is what uh

890
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,200
what he used for those movies he bases

891
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,080
it more on the the serialized uh buck

892
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,159
rogers from the 50s sort of things he

893
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:02,399
watched as a kid but there's no doubt

894
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:05,039
it's a traditional humble beginnings

895
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,800
epic hero tale uh that rises up to

896
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,280
more or less a destiny to embrace it as

897
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:13,679
a matter of fact directly above that gun

898
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,639
i'm gonna tip this up is my first book

899
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,119
whispers of fate it's an epic fantasy

900
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,520
novel and one of the reviewers who wrote

901
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,040
a review on it when it first came out

902
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,440
compared it to star wars i don't see it

903
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,079
but i do have a i do have a humble

904
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,000
heroine who starts from humble

905
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,240
beginnings and rises up to meet her

906
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:34,720
potentially destined the

907
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:35,440
the

908
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:44,240
and timing man i was just a member of

909
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,879
the star wars fan club in 1980

910
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,560
or so when that came out was kind of

911
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:53,760
right the tail end of that uh that run

912
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,879
for the star wars fan club and uh

913
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,480
you had the opportunity to buy these

914
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,760
posters

915
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,880
before the movie came out and i got one

916
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,880
and now it's worth a couple of g's so

917
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,720
anybody who wants to break in that's

918
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:08,160
probably the most expensive thing in the

919
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:09,760
home office yeah i'm going to put your

920
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,400
address here in the comments yes right

921
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,359
exactly somebody docks yeah

922
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,440
i get this poster you are going to have

923
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,440
to go through a very large science

924
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,680
writer to get it so

925
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,760
i'm not messing with you

926
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,200
especially with that blaster in the

927
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,200
background but um yeah if anyone wants

928
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,359
to uh do the super chat this will go

929
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,359
towards the four g's to get that

930
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:33,440
beautiful post that's right and this uh

931
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,560
this blaster was bought in the 1970s as

932
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,200
a little boy that's a that's in my boxes

933
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:41,760
and my brother recently bequeathed me

934
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,079
the box of quote-unquote star wars stuff

935
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,400
that we saved since we were little boys

936
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:48,240
and it's got all kinds of neat

937
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,440
memorabilia and characters and fan club

938
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,040
notices and all kinds of cool stuff in

939
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:55,119
there but uh i went ahead and put the

940
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:55,920
the

941
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,000
was a uh like a little r2d2

942
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,599
uh

943
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,119
card somebody gave me as a birthday

944
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:06,960
again when i was like eight years old so

945
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,680
that's like a like a 40-something year

946
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,480
old birthday card right there love it

947
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,119
that's awesome man you know well okay i

948
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,960
guess we'll move on from star wars even

949
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,200
though i could talk about it forever i

950
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,680
should mention um a little quick story

951
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:23,760
chris when um when i was in middle

952
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,040
school uh or elementary school excuse me

953
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,760
um i had that moment in the lunchroom i

954
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:31,680
went from a catholic school to a public

955
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,640
school and i was terrified um i had no

956
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,359
friends um i showed up to school the

957
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,440
first day and like a button down with a

958
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,200
tie because i was used to that at

959
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,119
catholic school and everyone made fun of

960
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:44,960
me um but

961
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,760
i remember um getting my lunch and

962
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,760
having that moment of

963
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:51,920
every table who do i sit with what do i

964
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:55,040
do um i i don't know so of course i went

965
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,680
and sat by myself and then these three

966
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,400
guys came over and sat down next to me

967
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,079
and they were like hey can um do you

968
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,839
mind if we sit there i was like no no

969
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,400
not at all and they bust out these cards

970
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,320
and they start playing this card game

971
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,240
and i'm just looking at this like what

972
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,720
these aren't like regular playing deck

973
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,599
cards so what is this and i start seeing

974
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,440
that each of the the cards is a

975
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,640
character

976
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,320
and then you got darth vader you've got

977
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:22,880
yoda you've got han solo you've got boba

978
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,920
fett and i'm like oh my what is this and

979
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,520
right then and there they explained to

980
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,680
me what star wars was i didn't know what

981
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,520
it was at the time and that this was

982
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:34,079
like a a what do you call those like

983
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:38,079
almost like magic the gathering um yeah

984
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,920
you know the original ones that came out

985
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,000
in the late 70s and early 80s i have a

986
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,920
quite a pile of those they were

987
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,160
literally just called star wars cards

988
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,000
and they were like baseball cards the

989
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,560
front would either have a character or a

990
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,480
scene from the movie and then you would

991
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,079
flip over on the back and it might have

992
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,079
some information some might be about

993
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:58,640
behind the scenes about the costume or

994
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,680
the set

995
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,359
but typically they were kind of the

996
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:04,079
history of that character or or just a

997
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,680
simple description of what you're seeing

998
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,400
but yeah star wars cards and they have

999
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,079
different colors they have the red

1000
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,560
outline ones the the yellow outline oh

1001
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,320
it was the thing when i was a little kid

1002
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,880
and those were new man forget about it

1003
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:18,880
and and they changed my life i started

1004
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,760
playing i made friends i became obsessed

1005
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,160
with star wars and yeah man it's made me

1006
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,800
who i am today as i know it as you too

1007
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,720
but um how

1008
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,040
let's get to how you became

1009
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,520
this head science writer at the debrief

1010
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,200
i mean were you always i know you're a

1011
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:37,359
writer yeah obviously you've been many

1012
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,720
books uh but what really got you into

1013
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,599
um

1014
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,359
you know interviewing scientists and

1015
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,200
working with the debrief how'd that all

1016
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,200
start ryan it's something i've always

1017
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,040
followed as a fan but i don't have any

1018
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:51,280
advanced degrees in science or anything

1019
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,000
so

1020
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,119
uh i went to school ucla my shirt

1021
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:58,000
for political science so that's you know

1022
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,599
it's technically science right um

1023
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,800
when i saw i joined ufo twitter i would

1024
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,320
call it last summer i had opened a

1025
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,920
twitter account a couple of years before

1026
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,520
but animated looks in my timeline we'll

1027
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,079
see i never used it and last summer i

1028
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,079
just decided to jump on there for fun

1029
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:15,760
and and

1030
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,880
the second season of unidentified with

1031
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,520
lou elizondo and the guys were up and it

1032
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,720
wasn't as

1033
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,040
satisfying as the first season and i

1034
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,200
think like a lot of people that had had

1035
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,599
ridden the roller coaster from 2017 to

1036
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,119
2020

1037
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,359
i wanted more i wanted that next big

1038
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,760
bomb to drop and i saw it wasn't coming

1039
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,440
so i jumped on twitter i knew there

1040
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:39,839
would be activity there and i started

1041
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,520
following ufo twitter and very quickly i

1042
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,760
stumbled upon one lieutenant tim

1043
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,160
mcmillan and he was somebody i started

1044
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,839
following and i started following the

1045
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,320
other guys in and around the debrief um

1046
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:55,040
not aware that that project was coming

1047
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,720
and uh

1048
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,280
i had an interaction with tim about the

1049
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,160
ua ptf about this idea of what that

1050
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,400
report might look like and what the

1051
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,119
conclusions in that report might be so i

1052
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,800
threw out my top three guesses on

1053
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:11,200
twitter and tim swears he remembers this

1054
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,480
although we didn't know each other at

1055
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:13,599
the time

1056
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,720
and i put out my top three guesses and

1057
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,560
you know i forget what they were but but

1058
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:20,560
one of them was more or less what they

1059
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,760
reported and tim tweeted back to me and

1060
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:24,960
he said

1061
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,480
two of these three guesses are incorrect

1062
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,720
and that started a firestorm because

1063
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,960
everybody on twitter went oh crap one of

1064
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,960
these three is correct

1065
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,079
so

1066
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,599
he and i i mean

1067
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,440
for a week straight my twitter

1068
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,599
notifications were 20 plus every time i

1069
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,520
opened twitter right i just it was this

1070
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,160
firestorm a conversation and so on the

1071
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,400
selfish level i went hey i write books i

1072
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,079
need a place to sell books i'll start

1073
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,319
interacting over on ufo twitter because

1074
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,920
i have some knowledge it's something

1075
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,160
i've followed my whole life and maybe

1076
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,480
ufo fans will be interested in fantasy

1077
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,960
and ultimately science fiction novels

1078
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,560
what i didn't realize it would actually

1079
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,040
work the other way i got sucked in

1080
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,119
so um

1081
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,440
i was following those guys

1082
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,480
and it became clear that on november

1083
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:13,920
30th

1084
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,280
which is today one year later oh wow

1085
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,079
happy birthday yes that on november well

1086
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,400
it's for the debrief for the debris it

1087
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,200
came out that yes november 30th the

1088
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,880
debris was going to kick off and there

1089
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:28,079
was

1090
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,359
coming and we were all like this could

1091
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,160
be the other shoe to drop

1092
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,880
so uh i'm a writer i work late and i'm

1093
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,119
often up till riding till 11 o'clock

1094
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,480
midnight even

1095
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:44,400
and so at midnight

1096
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,240
i said all right it's it's

1097
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,280
it's 3am november 30th on the east coast

1098
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,520
it's now november 30th on the west coast

1099
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,000
let me jump over to this debrief

1100
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,560
and uh it wasn't up right refresh

1101
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,400
refresh refresh i was doing the same

1102
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,480
thing ryan that turned i'm sure you

1103
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:02,480
recall that turned into a multi-hour

1104
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:06,160
odyssey and at like 3 a.m my wife looks

1105
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,760
in and i'm still in the office and she

1106
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,920
goes what are you doing and i'm sure i

1107
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,520
was bleary-eyed at this point i'm like

1108
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:13,839
i'm waiting for the debris waiting for

1109
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,880
disclosure yeah yeah yes the ufos are

1110
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,560
coming and i don't want to sleep through

1111
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,960
it so

1112
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,200
that article came out i was blown away i

1113
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,800
was like okay

1114
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,960
this guy knows his stuff and he's

1115
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:29,119
reporting i mean i tell anyone if you're

1116
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,880
ever feeling like things haven't

1117
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,720
happened in the last year

1118
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,359
just reread that first story about trans

1119
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,000
medium vehicles and objects of unknown

1120
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,000
origin i forget the exact title on the

1121
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,640
debris that came out the opening day

1122
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,359
tim recently retweeted it i think

1123
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,839
just huge just revelation after

1124
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,760
revelation from the military about what

1125
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,079
they're dealing with both in the air and

1126
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:53,680
uh underwater

1127
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,560
and

1128
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,319
tons of great data

1129
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,560
so i started interacting with the guys

1130
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,960
they're just staying in touch and on

1131
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:02,560
december 8th

1132
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,040
i had an interaction with uh mj banayas

1133
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:09,680
uh editor-in-chief at the debrief

1134
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,920
and uh it turned into a hey you're a

1135
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,680
writer would you be interested in doing

1136
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,280
some writing for us

1137
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:17,599
uh so i took an assignment as a trial

1138
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:18,880
run and

1139
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,920
i'm now uh about 180 stories later so i

1140
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,680
guess i got the job

1141
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,160
you got the job man and you are a

1142
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,119
shining star i like i said you publish

1143
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,640
like

1144
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:32,880
some days even two articles in a day

1145
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,440
it's crazy lately it's been three a day

1146
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,880
ryan because i've been doing the

1147
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,440
newsfeed so not to not to pat myself on

1148
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,440
the back here but the last three four

1149
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,119
weeks or so and it's gonna continue that

1150
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,280
way for a while um

1151
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,520
but yeah it's you know the the thing i

1152
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,079
feel like i bring to the debrief is this

1153
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,480
i read these science articles anyways

1154
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:54,319
it's what i told mj when he brought me

1155
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:55,280
on

1156
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,040
me to write ufos and he said no no no i

1157
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,920
have ryan sprague jazz shaw

1158
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,760
the three partners here

1159
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,760
graham randall i have plenty of guys

1160
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,240
covering the uap topic i need somebody

1161
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,040
to cover this cutting edge breakthrough

1162
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:14,560
science technology propulsion bioscience

1163
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,200
this rebelliously curious stuff that the

1164
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,800
debrief covers

1165
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,960
and so i started doing that i started

1166
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,880
covering and as i told him at the time

1167
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,599
this is what i read anyway before i go

1168
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:27,119
to bed at night the wife's already

1169
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:30,960
sacked out i go on fizz.org and eureka

1170
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:33,680
learn these other places that nerds go

1171
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:35,920
and i look up science stories to find

1172
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,800
out hey are we building laser guns or i

1173
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,800
wrote about a rail gun the other day

1174
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:42,480
that you can carry around like a

1175
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:45,440
handheld rail gun like this is the stuff

1176
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,560
i would read anyway so i told mj i said

1177
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:50,000
if this is what you want me to report

1178
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,359
about

1179
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,359
i'll try and balance i'll try and bring

1180
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,760
that bridge i'll try and be somebody who

1181
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,440
who's able to understand what he's

1182
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,920
reading for the most part

1183
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,760
and translate it into english for our

1184
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:04,319
readers who don't want to spend 30 years

1185
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:07,760
reading science articles like i have so

1186
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,640
yeah rather than having a science degree

1187
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,359
i feel like being in every man who uh

1188
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,400
you know

1189
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:16,160
looks at it the way someone like me when

1190
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,839
someone says oh we've invented a wart

1191
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,319
bubble i go well what does that mean

1192
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:22,319
and they start talking about casimir

1193
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:25,839
effect something my head rolls so i get

1194
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,640
these scientists to explain it to me to

1195
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,640
make me understand what they're talking

1196
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,800
about so i can write about and tell

1197
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,200
everybody hey listen to this amazing

1198
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,920
thing they're doing and uh that's been a

1199
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,000
total treat my favorite part of the job

1200
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,400
every once while it does overflow ufos

1201
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,720
uh there is some more of that coming too

1202
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,960
and yes uh i mentioned the work bubble

1203
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,240
that's a big story people have been

1204
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,119
waiting on i was training trading emails

1205
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,720
with the researcher today getting some

1206
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,480
final images and stuff so that thing's

1207
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,880
right around the corner awesome nikes

1208
00:46:03,030 --> 00:45:59,200
are just ass when's the warp bubble

1209
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,040
article dropping so yeah yeah so come in

1210
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,040
everything goes right

1211
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,920
i hand it to mj tomorrow

1212
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:09,680
and it runs on

1213
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,599
thursday in the worst case scenario he

1214
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,520
has to edit it over the weekend it comes

1215
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,480
out monday but i'm hoping for thursday

1216
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,079
because i'm going to be over there with

1217
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,200
the singularity mike in the gang over at

1218
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,640
the singularity lab and uh i hope to be

1219
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,400
in the after glow of that story coming

1220
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,000
out thursday morning so i can take a

1221
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,359
break ah i can't wait you well deserved

1222
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,920
images the researchers sending me the

1223
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,319
quotes this person's sending me i'm

1224
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,240
reading these going i can't wait to put

1225
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:44,160
this story out so yeah there's a few

1226
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:45,280
have popped through while we've been

1227
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,400
talking because i was putting the

1228
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,960
finishing touches on it today so we are

1229
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,400
right there with that article it's an

1230
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,319
any day sort of thing guys

1231
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,800
perfect chris well let's um let's move

1232
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,720
to some of your articles at the debrief

1233
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,960
i swear i didn't even mean to do this

1234
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,200
episode on the birthday of the debrief

1235
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,119
that's pretty cool but uh yeah oh i was

1236
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,200
tickled when i heard it i told i put

1237
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,960
right in the work group chat we have

1238
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,880
some new video content providers and

1239
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,240
some other people that have been joining

1240
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,240
the team lately and i tweeted out

1241
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,760
private message people and i said hey

1242
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,680
guys it's the one year anniversary

1243
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,200
chrissy newton's been doing that

1244
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,200
christina gomez has been doing that

1245
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,640
letting the world know it's our one year

1246
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,640
anniversary and i figured i'd come on

1247
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,319
here and talk about it since you invited

1248
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,800
me off so yeah it's good timing for sure

1249
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:29,200
absolutely it's always in the timing if

1250
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,800
i've learned anything well let's talk

1251
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:33,440
about this uh this first article i want

1252
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,880
to cover here flying saucer for one only

1253
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:39,359
weeks away from its first

1254
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,319
flight

1255
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,640
now the headline obviously grabbed me as

1256
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,960
i know it did a lot of ufo people so

1257
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,720
yeah man while you're telling us a

1258
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,319
little bit about this i'm gonna pull the

1259
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,240
article up on the share screen but yeah

1260
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:53,359
give it to us what is this one about so

1261
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,119
uh the new marketplace for private

1262
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:59,040
transportation uh you know a lot of

1263
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,559
companies are working on self-driving

1264
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,319
cars but what we're seeing is because of

1265
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,720
battery technology and because of drone

1266
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,040
technology we're basically seeing drones

1267
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,079
for people right we're seeing the idea

1268
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,319
of a drone that carries packages or

1269
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:14,400
carries a camera or whatever being

1270
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:17,839
scaled up to the to human size

1271
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,480
and letting humans get inside it and fly

1272
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,880
somewhere there's a company called joby

1273
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,040
i mentioned in the article and they've

1274
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,119
already gone through thousands of hours

1275
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,119
of manned flights and testing and

1276
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,520
working with the faa so there's a couple

1277
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,760
of companies that are really close to

1278
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,079
bringing these things to market now

1279
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,240
imagine a drone

1280
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:39,839
that's part say

1281
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,559
i you live in the city right ryan so say

1282
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:44,880
it's parked on top of the nearest

1283
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,520
skyscraper building or whatever and you

1284
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,839
take the elevator up and you climb in

1285
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,960
this thing

1286
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,040
and you you put in the destination in

1287
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,920
the gps and it literally takes it from

1288
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,760
there it takes off vertically like a

1289
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,920
drone with four propellers down now this

1290
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,520
isn't the one i'm talking about yet the

1291
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,520
one you have on the screen this is just

1292
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,319
the theory behind the technology you get

1293
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,960
in it it flies you where you want to go

1294
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:11,119
and it lands vertically we've now

1295
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,599
removed the need for runways right for

1296
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,319
these private even driving even driving

1297
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,880
cars or flying cars something people my

1298
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:20,559
age have dreamed about people older than

1299
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,720
me forever

1300
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,400
terafugia and aero mobile and some of

1301
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,920
these companies that have made flying

1302
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,880
cars

1303
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,559
they're essentially airplanes you can

1304
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,280
drive so they still need a runway to

1305
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,040
take off and land you can't just pull

1306
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,960
out these things you can pull out of

1307
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,480
your driveway

1308
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,400
so with that in mind this company called

1309
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,960
zava and that's the article you have up

1310
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:41,839
there

1311
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,720
what they developed is and they have it

1312
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,280
they have a there's a video of a scale

1313
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,680
model being flown on their website and

1314
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,000
then there's a video of the testing of

1315
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:54,160
the full-size one i believe

1316
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,440
it's basically a flying saucer shaped

1317
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,880
drone

1318
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,400
that takes advantage of some of the

1319
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,119
aerodynamic principles of that shape

1320
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,240
and you climb in the thing

1321
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,720
it takes off vertically like you see on

1322
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:10,000
the edge

1323
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:11,440
it tips

1324
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:14,720
and flies like a flying saucer now while

1325
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,240
it's flying like that you are facing

1326
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:19,760
face down

1327
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,079
so you basically fly like superman

1328
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:26,720
again a pre-programmed destination

1329
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:29,599
and when it gets there it tips back and

1330
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,000
it lands back and you open the doors and

1331
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:35,280
you just step right out so it's a point

1332
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,559
to point

1333
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:38,160
one person

1334
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,599
uh flying saucer-shaped drone and the

1335
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:44,000
thing flies it works

1336
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,960
and

1337
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:47,280
they've been flying the real full-size

1338
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,559
one on the tether for safety reasons but

1339
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,160
that's what my article mentioned is

1340
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,800
they're only weeks away from doing these

1341
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,480
first flights

1342
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:59,119
uh without the tether and the founder of

1343
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,559
the company i don't remember his name

1344
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:02,880
from the article but he said uh they're

1345
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,599
only a few months away meaning before

1346
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,520
the end of the upcoming year

1347
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:09,200
they will be doing test flights with

1348
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:10,800
people in them there will be people

1349
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,839
flying these one-man flying saucers so

1350
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,359
uh they're not going to display any

1351
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,960
observables they're not going to break

1352
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,280
the atmosphere and uh you know they're

1353
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:21,440
not going to take you to outer space

1354
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,359
but if you're looking for a personal

1355
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,200
drone that will take you from point to

1356
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:27,839
point a single person

1357
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,359
i mean the thing goes 160 miles an hour

1358
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:33,760
and uh it's good for

1359
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,640
uh

1360
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,240
i'm trying to remember but maybe about

1361
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,160
like 20 minutes of battering charge so

1362
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,800
you could go about 50 or 60 miles

1363
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,960
so for someone who commutes to the city

1364
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:44,880
back and forth or whatever things like

1365
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:45,760
that

1366
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,720
uh it's a it's an awesome vehicle

1367
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,480
one other aspect

1368
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,800
about this this thing that's in that

1369
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,240
story

1370
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,760
is that

1371
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:58,079
because of the increase of this type of

1372
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,119
vehicle

1373
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,440
the owner points out that those tops of

1374
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:03,440
buildings and those places where you can

1375
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:06,880
land those are gonna become prime real

1376
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:09,760
estate and the big companies that fly

1377
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,359
tons of these basically urban air taxis

1378
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,520
they're calling them are gonna scoop

1379
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:18,240
that real estate up and people that have

1380
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,040
this little one-man flying saucer may

1381
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,119
not have the most ideal place to take

1382
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:25,920
off and land from so they've designed a

1383
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,480
bracket that will let you mount it to

1384
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,240
the side of your building

1385
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:31,920
so basically you could be in your

1386
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:34,720
skyscraper open the window climb into

1387
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:38,319
your uh one-man slime saucer go to your

1388
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,520
destination and when you return it will

1389
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,920
land in that bracket and let you step

1390
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,079
back out and they point out that it's

1391
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:48,559
basically like batman hanging off the uh

1392
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,280
off the side of the building uh vehicle

1393
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,359
so yeah i think i concluded the article

1394
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:55,680
by saying you fly like superman you hang

1395
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,680
on a building like batman and it's in

1396
00:53:01,589 --> 00:53:00,000
your own flying saucer so yeah i'll take

1397
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,599
one first

1398
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,079
sold brother anything to get me to work

1399
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,559
quicker um well i'm gonna play um a

1400
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:08,480
brief video of one of the prototypes of

1401
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,760
these things um because i know

1402
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:13,359
we'll watch the video first and then

1403
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,319
comment i know these things are going to

1404
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,480
be mistaken for

1405
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,240
ufos we're going to get

1406
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,160
videos photos of them everyone's going

1407
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,240
to be sharing them on facebook saying

1408
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,960
these are from alpha centauri but um

1409
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:29,440
let's go ahead and play this little clip

1410
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,630
i'm telling you man like we're gonna get

1411
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:37,280
too many people thinking that's a legit

1412
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,000
uap now it's just getting cluttered when

1413
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,079
they start flying a full-size one ryan

1414
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,079
you know we're gonna get photos and

1415
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:46,640
reports and uh you know for sure

1416
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,119
ugh i love it i love it well let's move

1417
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,760
on to the next story over at the debrief

1418
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,240
uh this one is a little more um

1419
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,960
recent i believe i could be wrong

1420
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,319
actually we're going to talk about new

1421
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,359
telescope to search alpha centauri for

1422
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,400
et's home let me read a little recap

1423
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,240
here um it's hoping to launch in the

1424
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,960
next two years um earth's closest

1425
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,680
stellar neighbor um alpha centauri for

1426
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:13,599
signs of exoplanets capable of

1427
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,960
supporting et life so who did you talk

1428
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,200
to for this one chris and yeah give us a

1429
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:21,200
little background about this telescope

1430
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,640
we're all we're hearing about now is

1431
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:24,160
james well you know the web telescope

1432
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:25,040
web

1433
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:30,400
this is uh called the tullimon telescope

1434
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:33,520
i think it's a native american name

1435
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:36,720
for or an ancient name for that star

1436
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,599
pairing that is alpha centauri and

1437
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,440
basically here's

1438
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:43,839
if we're going to look for life on

1439
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:46,720
planets outside our solar system

1440
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:49,920
the best first place to start

1441
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,480
is the closest star to us

1442
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,319
and there happens to be three stars

1443
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,079
right there there's a pair known as

1444
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,119
alpha centauri it's a binary star system

1445
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,000
and then there's a third smaller

1446
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:03,839
red dwarf star

1447
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,079
known as proxima centauri and we've

1448
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,799
already spotted a planet around proxima

1449
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,119
centauri um

1450
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,079
that lies within the habitable zone that

1451
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,119
is probably a rocky planet uh based on

1452
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,880
measurements and that that's just from

1453
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,640
work from the hubble and uh other

1454
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,400
telescopes so

1455
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,240
we've already seen that but we saw that

1456
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,480
with what's called the transit method

1457
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:28,079
and it's what it sounds like you're

1458
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,280
looking at the star through your

1459
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,920
telescope and the planet goes in front

1460
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,000
of it now you can't actually see that

1461
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,720
movement but that planet caused the star

1462
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,960
to dim a little bit because it blocks

1463
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,359
some of the light as it moves in front

1464
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,440
telescopes that are finely tuned enough

1465
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,760
can actually see that dimming and if

1466
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,200
they see it at the right rhythm and

1467
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:48,880
often enough they can go yeah that's

1468
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,599
something in orbit around that star and

1469
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,920
based on the effect it has on the star

1470
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,160
and some other characteristics they can

1471
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:58,799
usually determine whether or not it's a

1472
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,839
giant planet like uh you know uh jupiter

1473
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,160
or saturn whether it's a mid-sized

1474
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,000
planet like neptune or what they call

1475
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:08,559
sub-neptune planets which are like earth

1476
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:11,760
mars venus these smaller rocky planets

1477
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,559
that can host life so this telescope

1478
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,319
said well hey this team putting this

1479
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:17,760
telescope i can't remember where they're

1480
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,559
from um because i write a lot of stories

1481
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,839
but

1482
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:23,839
uh basically the goal is it might i

1483
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:26,000
think maybe somewhere in new mexico or

1484
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:27,119
arizona

1485
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,640
i'm not sure so uh basically what they

1486
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:32,720
decided was

1487
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,359
let's see if there are planets

1488
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,880
around

1489
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,640
alpha centauri

1490
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:41,520
using the wobble method and the wobble

1491
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,000
method so if the planet if you're not

1492
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,160
right in the perfect plane to see that

1493
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,960
planet go across say it's orbiting the

1494
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,839
star this way or at you know any number

1495
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:53,680
of different angles that doesn't have it

1496
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,880
crossed right in front of our eye line

1497
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,280
you can't see it in the transit method

1498
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,160
but what you can see is the star will

1499
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,040
wobble as the planet goes around it or

1500
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,240
planets because they will affect very

1501
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,880
small effects but they will have effects

1502
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:13,520
on that the position and orbit of the

1503
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,960
star itself

1504
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,559
so

1505
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:18,880
the way you normally do that is you look

1506
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,359
at that dot of light and measure it well

1507
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:24,000
telescopes we have are not always so

1508
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,920
great at doing that so what they're

1509
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,359
doing is

1510
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:29,760
something called a diffractive pupil

1511
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:30,799
effect

1512
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,240
it takes the light from that star

1513
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,960
and spreads it out so it's not just one

1514
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:38,400
little point of light but it looks like

1515
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,280
a big

1516
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,760
plume of a flower

1517
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:44,240
and when the planet uh if planet or

1518
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,440
planets if they exist in alpha centauri

1519
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:49,839
are orbiting there

1520
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,319
uh then it should perturb it you should

1521
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:54,480
have the wobble effect and they think

1522
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:55,760
it'll be much

1523
00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:58,799
easier for their telescope to spot

1524
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:02,319
uh using that diffracted pupil effect so

1525
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:03,760
basically

1526
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,160
it's a mission to see are there planets

1527
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,400
around our closest star

1528
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:11,040
and if they are what type of planets

1529
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:12,160
they are

1530
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,040
exoplanets that fit right in the

1531
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:19,520
habitable zone meaning the distance from

1532
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:22,720
the star where water can uh liquid water

1533
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,839
can exist

1534
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,000
we think that's a key indicator of life

1535
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,799
so this is a big step towards not just

1536
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,720
looking for life outside

1537
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:32,960
our solar system but looking forward to

1538
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:35,760
literally the closest star system to us

1539
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:38,079
to alpha centauri

1540
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:40,559
which is crazy to think you know our

1541
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:41,680
search for

1542
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,480
um you know et life we always think oh

1543
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,119
well it's got to be super far away

1544
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,680
possibly interstellar even yet it could

1545
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:51,520
be literally one of our closest

1546
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,480
neighbors that's just astounding to me

1547
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:56,559
you know and ryan i talked about this in

1548
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:00,160
in uh in uh articles i've written but i

1549
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,000
have a story coming out the next month

1550
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,160
or so about a type of directed energy

1551
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,720
propulsion it's basically a put a laser

1552
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,640
up in space you point it at the ship you

1553
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:11,280
wanna and you you basically push it with

1554
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,359
laser light so that the ship doesn't

1555
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,079
have any uh rocket fuel on it it's just

1556
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,799
being pushed by uh some you know a laser

1557
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,119
sitting in orbit that's pushing kind of

1558
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:23,839
like a solar wind absolutely the exact

1559
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,640
same concept as a solar sail but instead

1560
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,720
of using the pressure of the sun we just

1561
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,799
use a laser that we point at the craft

1562
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,960
and the specially designed sail or

1563
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,359
surface on the craft designed to take

1564
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,599
that laser light and be pushed by it and

1565
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:39,839
the beauty of that is as long as we have

1566
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,480
power to our laser right there in orbit

1567
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:44,240
you can just keep pushing that thing and

1568
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,599
pushing that thing and pushing that

1569
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,240
thing and there's some various laws of

1570
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,319
physics and other things involved but

1571
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:53,040
it's pretty realistic for us in current

1572
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,400
technology

1573
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,480
with the will and the money to make a

1574
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:58,319
spacecraft that goes about 20 percent

1575
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,319
the speed of light that's that's you

1576
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,000
know traveling through

1577
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,559
relativistic einsteinian space without

1578
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,559
getting into the map of it that seems to

1579
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,319
be from everyone i talked to that's the

1580
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,240
limit about 20

1581
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,319
but if you think about that if we're

1582
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,160
looking at a star system like alva

1583
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,640
centaur it's four light years away if

1584
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,319
you can go twenty percent the speed of

1585
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,640
light you can get there

1586
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,559
in 20 years

1587
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:24,720
right that's not too bad

1588
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:26,880
each light year takes you five years to

1589
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,599
go and you got four light years i mean

1590
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,280
we send missions that you know the the

1591
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:33,760
first mars rovers that i really followed

1592
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,319
regularly were spirit and opportunity

1593
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,920
they went up over 20 years ago and they

1594
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,160
just quit working recently you know the

1595
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,960
voyager spacecraft went up in the 70s

1596
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,640
and we're still swapping signals with

1597
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:46,640
them and they've left our solar system

1598
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:47,760
completely

1599
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,480
so the idea of sending a probe if we see

1600
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,319
planets there

1601
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,720
and we see planets that can support life

1602
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,079
and we point one of these other

1603
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,559
telescopes at those planets and see

1604
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,960
elements in their atmosphere that seem

1605
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,119
that there might be life there

1606
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,359
it's within the range at least

1607
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:07,920
theoretically of us sending a probe and

1608
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,280
taking a picture and going what the

1609
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:11,040
heck's going on there

1610
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:14,480
love it that's so cool man well um let's

1611
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,160
talk about another neighbor of ours now

1612
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,480
you know this this planet ain't doing

1613
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:22,720
too well let's be honest you know we we

1614
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:24,640
have more and more signs leading to

1615
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,000
global warming and catastrophes and this

1616
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,040
that we're destroying our planet is what

1617
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,200
we are being told by the visitors who

1618
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,359
have you know come into contact with

1619
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,440
people here on earth you guys gotta

1620
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:39,920
shape up or ship out is what we hear in

1621
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,880
these et contact stories and um what

1622
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,880
better place to ship out to

1623
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:47,200
than the moon and now we're learning

1624
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,440
that there is oxygen on the moon and you

1625
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:53,520
recently wrote about this how much

1626
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:56,799
oxygen is already on the moon and will

1627
01:02:01,270 --> 01:02:00,160
we able will we ever be able to

1628
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:01,280
basically

1629
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:03,280
habitate the moon so yeah tell us a

1630
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:04,640
little about this story if you don't

1631
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:07,359
mind so uh first of all

1632
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,319
um

1633
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,720
when we we are causing significant

1634
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:13,039
damage to the biosphere on earth there's

1635
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,799
a good argument for that there's even

1636
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,240
scientists have talked about changing

1637
01:02:19,630 --> 01:02:18,480
the current era to the anthropocene

1638
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,640
which would mean

1639
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,319
anthropomorphic or you know human

1640
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:24,720
effects so like the pleistocene era or

1641
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,799
the mesozoic or these other ones here

1642
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,280
this will be the anthropocene so keep in

1643
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,839
mind the planet earth we're not going to

1644
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,079
screw the planet up the planet is the

1645
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,240
planet we we're not powerful yet enough

1646
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,400
to do it but

1647
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:40,720
basically when you start a few thousand

1648
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,039
meters underground and you go out to the

1649
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:45,039
outer edges of our atmosphere that

1650
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:46,079
little

1651
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:50,880
you know the surface of our planet up to

1652
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:53,119
maybe the top of mount everest right and

1653
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:54,880
maybe down to the deepest parts of the

1654
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:57,680
ocean that's where we live that little

1655
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,720
thin

1656
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,640
orange peel of the planet we can

1657
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:02,319
definitely screw that up we definitely

1658
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:04,400
seem to be doing damage to it

1659
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:06,640
so the planet will be just fine uh

1660
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,720
they're just the area that we live in

1661
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:11,039
may not be there or be permanent if we

1662
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:12,960
don't do something about it so yeah

1663
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:14,720
there's a lot of talk by guys like elon

1664
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:16,960
musk and other people about colonizing

1665
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,359
the moon or colonizing mars

1666
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,839
this study was really interesting

1667
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,680
because basically what they determined

1668
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,599
was

1669
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,520
if you look if you go to the moon right

1670
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,359
all you see is rocks and dirt right

1671
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:30,960
that's what's there rocks and dirt they

1672
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,960
call it regolith and according to

1673
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:34,720
astronauts who walked around on the moon

1674
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,200
in the 70s the crab gets everywhere it's

1675
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:39,920
like the worst dust the worst beach sand

1676
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,079
ever i mean it gets everywhere it falls

1677
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:44,480
up everything but what's amazing about

1678
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:47,520
that rock and that that dirt

1679
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,720
is it is made up of 45

1680
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,920
oxygen

1681
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:53,520
by volume so

1682
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,400
it is almost half oxygen now on earth if

1683
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:58,559
we want to split oxygen away from other

1684
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:00,640
molecules we use a process called

1685
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:03,520
electrolysis like i tell people drop a

1686
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:05,280
battery in a cup of water and you'll see

1687
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:06,960
a little stream of bubbles coming off

1688
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:08,319
each end and one of those is oxygen

1689
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:10,160
one's hydrogen but it's basically an

1690
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:14,000
electrolysis process the way we split uh

1691
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,200
oxygen

1692
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:17,520
so we have the technology

1693
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:20,559
to split that oxygen out of those rocks

1694
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,359
you got to use power to do it and so

1695
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:25,599
there's talk of nuclear reactors or

1696
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:27,440
solar reactors and we can talk about

1697
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:30,160
that a little later but basically if you

1698
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:32,720
have a mechanism on

1699
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,480
the moon that can

1700
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,079
you know if you have equipment to do

1701
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:38,000
that electrolysis you can free that

1702
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:39,119
oxygen

1703
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,880
and you can use it

1704
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,640
and um

1705
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:44,720
so how much is there

1706
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:46,960
this study basically determined that the

1707
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:49,280
real scoopable part right the the top

1708
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,079
maybe 20 30 feet or whatever covering

1709
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:55,280
the planet has enough oxygen embedded in

1710
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,000
the rocks and dirt to support the entire

1711
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:59,760
population of earth that's about eight

1712
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:01,599
billion people right now

1713
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:04,400
for a hundred thousand years

1714
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,039
so the bottom line is if we're going to

1715
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:09,359
colonize the moon

1716
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,280
i won't talk about terraforming because

1717
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:13,280
it's just so far in the future and so

1718
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:15,039
unlikely but if we're going to live in

1719
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,920
caverns if we're going to live in domes

1720
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:19,760
if humans are going to move to the moon

1721
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,400
and permanently inhabited they're going

1722
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:24,720
to need oxygen and as it turns out

1723
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:27,599
there's just tons of in there

1724
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:30,559
so cool man nothing i ever would have

1725
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,960
expected to be me either i didn't know

1726
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,799
that right i told you i read science

1727
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,720
articles my whole life and if you would

1728
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,880
have asked me how much oxygen is in the

1729
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:40,319
rocks on the moon i would just i don't

1730
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,319
know what one percent or so you know

1731
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,240
whatever stuck to it when it rolled

1732
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,559
through but no it's almost half oxygen

1733
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:48,240
there's so much they could pull out of

1734
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:49,039
there

1735
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,520
love it love it well rodrigo has a

1736
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:54,160
question here for you um and i'll remind

1737
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,319
everyone again super chat is open if you

1738
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:58,640
want to ask chris a question and help

1739
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:00,880
out the show you're more than welcome um

1740
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,039
but we'll take your questions anyways

1741
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:05,280
we're not a pay-to-play here but um

1742
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:07,200
let's see here what are chris's ideas

1743
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:08,880
about the probability for the existence

1744
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:11,599
of oxygen-based atmospheres carbon-based

1745
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:15,119
life and convergent evolution in planets

1746
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:16,720
other than earth that's a loaded

1747
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,599
question but do you have anything

1748
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,079
humans have done a lot of study on life

1749
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:24,799
and for the longest time we more or less

1750
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:27,200
felt that the vast majority of life

1751
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,520
would operate uh using oxygen as its

1752
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:31,839
catalyst still does on earth we have

1753
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:34,640
found these things termed extremophiles

1754
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,440
uh that operate uh from other you know

1755
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,520
that was the big discovery or in the uh

1756
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,200
atmosphere of venus

1757
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,280
was they found this area where they said

1758
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,960
hey if there were if there were

1759
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:46,640
creatures like we have on earth that

1760
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,039
live on phosphine gas which is type of

1761
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,119
phosphorus gas if they lived on that

1762
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,240
rather than oxygen here's the perfect

1763
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:56,160
warmth and radiation everything part of

1764
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,920
venus's atmosphere they would live in

1765
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:59,760
and so we looked there and sure enough

1766
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:01,520
there were signs of phosphine gas there

1767
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:04,000
doesn't mean that there's life there but

1768
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:05,599
it definitely happened to match what

1769
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,799
we're looking for

1770
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,640
here's what i would tell

1771
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:10,960
here's my thought about

1772
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:13,119
uh concurrent evolution carbon-based

1773
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:14,559
life those sort of things on other

1774
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,480
planets

1775
01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:18,240
in science fiction

1776
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,839
whether you're watching star trek or

1777
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,599
stargate or any of the shows i grew up

1778
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:23,119
watching and loving

1779
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:25,359
uh humans go to other planets all the

1780
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:28,160
time with no masks on and you know

1781
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:30,160
everyone speaks english or whatever you

1782
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:31,680
know but uh

1783
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:33,599
and everyone's pretty much human i don't

1784
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,160
know about the evolution side i have my

1785
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:38,079
feelings that

1786
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:41,119
physics constrains evolution in such a

1787
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:44,880
way that i wouldn't be surprised if uh

1788
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,119
complex life we saw on other planets

1789
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:49,280
stood on two legs had something the

1790
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,799
equivalent of hands and fingers that

1791
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:52,799
they could manipulate their environment

1792
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,359
with have bilateral symmetry like most

1793
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:57,760
of the land and air based uh creatures

1794
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:01,039
on the planet earth have so i i do think

1795
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:03,200
we might see some sort of relatively

1796
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:05,599
similar uh evolution i wouldn't be

1797
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:07,039
surprised about that now you talk to

1798
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:13,589
on earth

1799
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:17,839
we are of buy-in from this planet i mean

1800
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:20,239
your parents create you but the material

1801
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:23,440
your mother ingests the food and drink

1802
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:24,400
and everything

1803
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:27,679
that is the raw material that builds you

1804
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:29,679
and then when you're on your own the

1805
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:31,600
material you ingest

1806
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:34,400
you are from this earth we are all part

1807
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:38,640
of it and there is a huge complex system

1808
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,520
of microbiology operating inside our

1809
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:43,920
body from our gut bacteria to

1810
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:46,239
microbiology on our skin in our blood

1811
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:49,759
you name it we are a big collection of

1812
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,120
billions of little organisms all working

1813
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:55,759
together create this human body

1814
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:57,920
so even if we found a planet that had

1815
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:00,480
the exact atmosphere as ours

1816
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:03,040
have the exact atmospheric pressure as

1817
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,000
ours

1818
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,239
similar enough gravity similar enough

1819
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:08,400
radiation had enough

1820
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:10,080
of the components that you say man we

1821
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,839
could go live there it's got trees it's

1822
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,040
got everything

1823
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:15,120
more likely than not the minute you took

1824
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:16,880
your mask off even if the air was

1825
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:19,600
breathable the microscopic organisms on

1826
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,000
that plant planet would not jibe with

1827
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,839
your body and you'd be dead in weeks

1828
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:25,279
it's pretty much what happened to the

1829
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:26,960
native americans when christopher

1830
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:29,679
columbus came over and

1831
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:31,679
the vast majority of people that were

1832
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:33,759
existing on this continent their bodies

1833
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:35,839
just weren't adapted to the microbiology

1834
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,080
and diseases being brought to them from

1835
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:40,719
settlers on the same planet so i'm

1836
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:42,960
dubious about our ability to live on

1837
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:45,520
another planet as we are do i think

1838
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:47,679
there's an ability for science down the

1839
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,560
road

1840
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,560
to get to a point where there's a new

1841
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,400
planet you want to live on and they go

1842
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:53,920
yeah we got to put you through like a

1843
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,480
year of inoculations and microbiology

1844
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:58,320
treatments and stuff so your body can

1845
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:59,600
live there but yeah once we're done

1846
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,320
you'll be able to live there so yeah

1847
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,239
maybe i'm not sure if that's the exact

1848
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,159
question that was being asked but that's

1849
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,640
my take on it i i love that i never

1850
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:10,640
would have thought yeah like even if

1851
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:13,040
everything was the same every the carbon

1852
01:10:18,189 --> 01:10:16,080
makeup everything about the planet um

1853
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,199
that it's that minuscule

1854
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:21,360
microscopic stuff that could really be

1855
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,510
you have to take earth with you if you

1856
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,520
want to be an earthling living somewhere

1857
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,080
else whether it's in a habitat you know

1858
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,239
in the habitat on the international

1859
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,640
space station a habitat on the moon a

1860
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,239
habitat on mars

1861
01:10:41,950 --> 01:10:40,239
we will essentially have to foster an

1862
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:41,960
environment that has those

1863
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:44,800
microorganisms so when we eat food we're

1864
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:47,520
getting that bacteria that digests the

1865
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,920
food the way you want to that works on

1866
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:51,520
your blood and your brain and everything

1867
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:53,679
else in your body so yeah whether we

1868
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:55,760
like it or not we're connected to this

1869
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,719
planet as biological beings

1870
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:00,719
do you think we're from here chris do

1871
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:01,920
you think we

1872
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:05,840
from somewhere else i gotta ask i know

1873
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:08,400
it's uh oh yeah no so i tell people this

1874
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:10,080
all the time so there's a zero to one

1875
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,520
argument and there's a one to now

1876
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:13,600
argument so zero to one is what is the

1877
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:16,719
origin of life and one to now is

1878
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,320
microscopic organism evolving to us i'm

1879
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:22,320
very comfortable with one to now i think

1880
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,120
that evolution just is we see it

1881
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,679
microbiology we see it with viruses we

1882
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:29,040
see i mean

1883
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,640
all dogs came from one wolf about 10 000

1884
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,719
years ago and now look at all the

1885
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:36,640
different dogs you have and that's just

1886
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,360
evolution over 10 000 years of some

1887
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:41,600
traits being selected other traits not

1888
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,520
being selected uh things like uh lactose

1889
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,840
intolerance things like that that we can

1890
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:49,920
actually see where it came into our

1891
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,719
genome and evolved over time so i'm very

1892
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:54,560
comfortable with the idea

1893
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:57,199
that everyday humans walking around uh

1894
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:59,280
evolved from apes which evolved from

1895
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,000
proto-apes which evolved from uh you

1896
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:04,000
know uh

1897
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:05,840
simple organ all the way back to that

1898
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,320
single-celled organism now the idea

1899
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,480
that's put out in the movie prometheus i

1900
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:12,640
think it is where basically an alien

1901
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,600
organism donated their dna as that

1902
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:17,440
starting block

1903
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:20,960
and that is the zero to the one the

1904
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,239
inert planet of rock water and minerals

1905
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:25,920
that has no life

1906
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:28,880
to that first spark of life that zero

1907
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,480
life to life

1908
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,280
once you have life evolution just takes

1909
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:35,120
over and life goes where it goes based

1910
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,280
on environment in my opinion what i've

1911
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:38,960
seen from science environmental

1912
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:41,760
influences uh what you eat what you do

1913
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:44,719
uh but for all forms of life

1914
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:47,520
and that evolution takes place we see

1915
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:48,480
uh

1916
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,640
animals that are identical that we can

1917
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,320
see tree squirrels that are virtually

1918
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:54,000
genetically identical live in two

1919
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,239
different habitats and over a couple of

1920
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,480
hundred years these three squirrels can

1921
01:13:01,669 --> 01:13:00,159
only this type of nut and these ones

1922
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:01,679
can't eat that type of nut or it makes

1923
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:03,920
them sick or all these other just your

1924
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,320
bodies constantly and biology is

1925
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:08,880
constantly adapting so

1926
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:09,840
um

1927
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:12,400
who who who put the life here right like

1928
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:14,880
was it god is it a simulation was it

1929
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:17,360
aliens i don't know you know we still

1930
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:19,360
haven't in a lab been able to take

1931
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:22,480
lifeless matter and throw the right

1932
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:24,320
amount of electricity and other stuff

1933
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:26,560
and like dr frankenstein go okay we

1934
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,040
created a living cell from non-living

1935
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:30,960
material we just haven't done that yet

1936
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,600
and we have had no success trying

1937
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,840
but once you have something living

1938
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:37,600
watching it compete in the environment

1939
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:39,679
to gather resources to use energy

1940
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,239
efficiently to replicate to create more

1941
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:44,400
of itself and over time evolve to a more

1942
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:46,800
sophisticated life form that's just

1943
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:48,560
happens all day every day happens all

1944
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:51,600
around us and i'm highly confident that

1945
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,120
there's enough in the archaeological

1946
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,520
record in the biological record you can

1947
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,840
find dna in your own dna from fishes i

1948
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,600
mean we can find stuff from the most

1949
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,520
ancient of beings that just don't

1950
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:03,840
express anymore because those aren't the

1951
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,280
dna uh strands that are chosen by

1952
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:09,600
you know biology to express themselves

1953
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,719
so

1954
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:12,640
interesting we are

1955
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:15,120
again we are the greatest and biggest

1956
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,239
reality competition show for all other

1957
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:20,800
life out there in the universe i i love

1958
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,199
that why wouldn't we be i'm a firm

1959
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,520
believer that the fair my paradox has it

1960
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:27,760
backwards that if there's intelligent

1961
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,440
life that's even one minute more

1962
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:31,440
advanced than us the last thing they

1963
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,480
want to do is interact with us

1964
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:37,040
and not for any weird safety humans

1965
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,560
might blow us up although we are pretty

1966
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:40,880
stupid and blow stuff up but

1967
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:43,520
more from the sense of the most value we

1968
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:46,719
offer is look at us look at this planet

1969
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:50,080
and it's a scientific analysis the the

1970
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:51,920
most value we would offer in intelligent

1971
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:53,120
species

1972
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,040
is going back in time and looking at a a

1973
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,120
place in time where

1974
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:01,679
200 years ago we had no electricity the

1975
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:03,440
most sophisticated technology was like a

1976
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:04,560
bicycle

1977
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:06,800
and now we're flying around in space and

1978
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:09,520
talking about a 20-year mission to alpha

1979
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,920
centauri right so

1980
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,679
this is the most interesting time to

1981
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:16,080
watch humans and say hey do they maybe

1982
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:17,600
it's just the textbook they're like oh

1983
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,280
yeah just

1984
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,960
blow themselves up so we're going to

1985
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,640
keep watching until they blow themselves

1986
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:24,880
up because that's interesting or

1987
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:26,960
this is the point and we get past the

1988
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:30,080
great filter and we end up as a

1989
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:33,000
you know interstellar

1990
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,199
non-warfaring modern

1991
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,360
whatever species that is and that's my

1992
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:39,520
star trek hope i'm not dystopian i'm

1993
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:42,560
utopian i still think we can get there

1994
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:45,600
love it man yeah let's keep our channel

1995
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,040
on the screen for all out there for sure

1996
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:51,440
well let's say hello to uh we got the

1997
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,360
unidentified celebrity review that is

1998
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:55,120
that good there's that good looking chap

1999
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:58,080
he's talking about you not me

2000
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:59,120
we got him

2001
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,280
i'll be with him with mikey on thursday

2002
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:03,600
on thursday awesome i'll be there i'll

2003
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,600
be in the chat awesome awesome night

2004
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:07,520
gazer says all the way back to dino

2005
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:09,920
beavers good good shout out night gazer

2006
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,280
to uh the uh

2007
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,280
skinwalkers at the pentagon book that

2008
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:15,679
just came up hey matthew riots here one

2009
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:23,669
um let me see i think i got everyone oh

2010
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,400
we actually have someone named uh mr han

2011
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,400
solo i love that

2012
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,640
i love it um hey rodrigo's got a good

2013
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,640
question here again dune presents the

2014
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:34,560
idea of folding space

2015
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,560
and the navigator evolved humans who can

2016
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,000
pilot the ship's

2017
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,159
thought hyper advanced calculations does

2018
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:42,239
chris see something like that in our

2019
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,719
future interesting so rodrigo i wrote an

2020
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:46,719
article for the debrief about two weeks

2021
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:49,280
ago i think and i interviewed dr kevin

2022
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,320
grazer and dr kevin grazer along with

2023
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:54,159
being the consultant on movies like

2024
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:55,360
gravity

2025
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,800
and um a tv a number of science fiction

2026
01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:00,320
tv shows

2027
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:01,280
um

2028
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:03,840
he wrote a book or i'm sorry he edited a

2029
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:06,400
book uh it's under his name as the

2030
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,560
writer called the the science of doom

2031
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,480
and what he did was he reached out to

2032
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:14,320
scientists in all these different areas

2033
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:15,440
and had them

2034
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:17,520
basically they put a book together of

2035
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:21,040
the sciences that are in that uh in that

2036
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:22,400
book series

2037
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:24,880
and so i went ahead

2038
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:27,120
and i uh

2039
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:28,560
i interviewed him

2040
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,760
and i wrote about it and the very last

2041
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:34,159
segment of that article i addressed

2042
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,920
folding space

2043
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,600
and he had a very interesting quote

2044
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:39,840
where he said to me he said chris to me

2045
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,560
folding space is exactly what albert

2046
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:44,880
einstein was talking about when he was

2047
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,120
talking about the idea of

2048
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,880
uh

2049
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:50,640
using gravity

2050
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:53,760
to move space closer together so your

2051
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:56,400
travel distance is a lot shorter

2052
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:57,679
and

2053
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:58,640
i i

2054
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:00,640
basically in that article i said so if

2055
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,600
you combine the idea of a remote viewer

2056
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:05,760
of somebody who psychically has the

2057
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:06,800
ability

2058
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:09,679
if such a thing exists to envision a

2059
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:11,760
remote location

2060
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,159
and you have people in a ship that's

2061
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:16,239
designed to get there

2062
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:18,880
could you meld those two phenomena

2063
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:21,760
together and come up with a dune style

2064
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:23,760
folding space drive

2065
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,360
i don't know that it's something on the

2066
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:27,760
horizon i can't tell you that

2067
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:30,800
warp drives in and of themself

2068
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,560
is something that's being worked on by a

2069
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:34,640
lot of different researchers at least in

2070
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,199
theory and as everyone knows who's in my

2071
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:39,600
uh twitter dms for the last month and a

2072
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:42,000
half i have a big warp bubble story

2073
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,080
coming out about that yeah

2074
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,320
as far as folding space

2075
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:49,040
uh go go look at what he's dr grazer

2076
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:50,640
says in my article i have some good

2077
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:52,000
quotes from him

2078
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:53,840
and uh if you're really interested go

2079
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,360
read his book because there's a whole

2080
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,000
section by scientists uh pretty much

2081
01:19:02,630 --> 01:18:59,840
addressing that in a much more complex

2082
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,640
way so for my personal feeling it's not

2083
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:04,480
something that's right around the corner

2084
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:06,159
but it is something that you could draw

2085
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:09,199
a line to from warp technology and

2086
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,320
remote viewing and see that it's not

2087
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:14,880
the most unrealistic

2088
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:17,760
if somewhat unlikely approach

2089
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:20,080
interesting i love that bringing kind of

2090
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:21,040
the uh

2091
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,440
you know the paranormal into

2092
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,920
the science or pseudoscience if you want

2093
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:27,520
to look at it that way but you know what

2094
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:32,229
yeah when frank herbert wrote dune and

2095
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:35,600
he talks about that spice that magical

2096
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,920
chemical that lets the navigators do

2097
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,920
what they do that lets people see in the

2098
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,159
future things like that he was really

2099
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,159
like interested in writing about

2100
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:45,840
mushrooms psychedelic mushrooms that

2101
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:48,159
were really popular in the 60s and there

2102
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:49,760
was all i haven't read it but there was

2103
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:51,520
a whole feature story on the debrief one

2104
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:53,520
of the other writers wrote about that

2105
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,239
and it basically said uh herbert was

2106
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:58,159
talking about mushrooms and the reason i

2107
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,520
clarify i haven't read it because i

2108
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:01,280
don't know if he was taking him or he

2109
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:03,120
was writing about people taking them and

2110
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:05,199
i don't want to i don't want to be the

2111
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:06,960
name of my favorite science fiction

2112
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,280
writers could be both we we don't know

2113
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,679
could be both well hey han mr han solo

2114
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:13,120
says speaking of blowing stuff up can i

2115
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:16,960
have my blaster pack chris right exactly

2116
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,000
that's right i love that um well let's

2117
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:22,239
move on oh sorry go ahead i'm fired

2118
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:24,800
first just on fire oh you're one of

2119
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,120
those are you i'm just saying i was in

2120
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:29,120
the theater man i thought that was the

2121
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:30,800
coolest thing ever that he fired first

2122
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,120
it was like the the first hero antihero

2123
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:35,040
he was actually just a little bit of bad

2124
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:36,719
guy in that good guy

2125
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,040
yeah yeah have they ever truly

2126
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:41,440
determined that has it been like

2127
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:44,840
um oh yeah i mean come forward and said

2128
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:46,880
yes there's a whole controversy with

2129
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,199
george lucas in those first three movies

2130
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:51,120
but basically when he went back and he

2131
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:53,600
re-edited them all and he put in the

2132
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:55,520
video graphics and he potentially

2133
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,480
changed that scene he added the episode

2134
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,159
four thing in the opening credits it

2135
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,159
used to just say star wars the the

2136
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:04,639
episode four new hope wasn't up there he

2137
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,679
added a lot of that so the um i want to

2138
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:09,600
get this right i think it's the national

2139
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:11,520
film archive or the library of congress

2140
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,199
it might be the national film archive

2141
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:15,199
within the library of congress

2142
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,000
um has asked him for copies of the first

2143
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:20,880
three movies because what they do is

2144
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,639
and you get you give them the actual

2145
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:24,719
real like ones that ran in the theater

2146
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:27,600
the physical film in the canister and

2147
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:29,040
you know obviously there were thousands

2148
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,480
of those that went out to theaters

2149
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:32,400
around the country and around the world

2150
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:34,000
and they say as the

2151
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:35,920
as the filmmaker you have to provide us

2152
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:37,920
one of those and we'll put them in the

2153
01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:40,719
archive to keep a permanent copy and he

2154
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:41,840
said no

2155
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:43,840
because he doesn't want to provide those

2156
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:46,560
original films he wants history to

2157
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:49,280
remember the the edited ones he did

2158
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:51,440
later that have the silly characters

2159
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:53,360
added in have the scene with job the hut

2160
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,520
put back in the original all of these

2161
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,920
things that he added in it depends on

2162
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:59,600
your taste he always felt like they were

2163
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,840
made for kids and i always tell people i

2164
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:03,600
fell in love with the movies as a little

2165
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,800
kid so i can't argue that but it does

2166
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:08,480
feel like uh

2167
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:10,560
it does feel like you know the original

2168
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,400
artist went back and painted a mustache

2169
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,159
on the mona lisa and said ah it's

2170
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,320
finally finished

2171
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:18,719
exactly exactly yeah there is some

2172
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:20,639
controversy about that for sure he will

2173
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:22,719
not provide those original copies there

2174
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:25,360
is some for people that uh stream stuff

2175
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:26,800
there used to be a copy running around

2176
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,520
online a number of years back where some

2177
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:31,360
guy took all the original

2178
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,040
blu-ray and

2179
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:35,199
laserdisc or whatever and kind of made

2180
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:37,280
an original one but uh

2181
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:39,679
yeah lucas people have too much time

2182
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:41,600
fought that truth from being out there

2183
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:44,080
that han fired first

2184
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:46,000
that's fair enough that's fair enough

2185
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:48,320
well uh i mean i had a gun pointed at

2186
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,159
him i don't know but dude

2187
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:52,320
it is something if there's a gun pointed

2188
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,120
at you and somebody's telling you uh the

2189
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:57,040
party's over buddy i don't know that

2190
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:59,120
firing first isn't still self-defense i

2191
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:00,960
mean i don't mean to get all political

2192
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,520
in the star wars pyramid

2193
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:05,760
hey hey they went political in those

2194
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:07,760
prequels man which have really grown on

2195
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:09,920
me yeah prequels have definitely grown

2196
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:11,760
on me first yeah they take time because

2197
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:12,800
you're you're seeing something

2198
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:15,600
completely different but yeah i i i've

2199
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,480
i've

2200
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:18,480
i moved into the zone of liking all the

2201
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:21,199
star wars movies at some level uh for

2202
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,480
themselves

2203
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:24,320
really found myself liking rogue one

2204
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:26,719
more than i thought after all my god

2205
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:29,120
dude i love that movie so much so

2206
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:30,880
underrated yeah i didn't love it the

2207
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,520
first time i saw it and yeah

2208
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,280
but yeah that lasts

2209
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:37,600
one of those last scenes with vader

2210
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:39,679
again spoiler alert if you haven't seen

2211
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:40,800
rogue one

2212
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,199
vader at his most badass are you always

2213
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:45,360
amazing amazing oh that's much like

2214
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,360
speaking of george lucas ryan when he

2215
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:49,440
did those prequels

2216
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:52,000
people always said well hey how are you

2217
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:55,040
know the three prequels kind of ended

2218
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:57,520
with him becoming vader right like he's

2219
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,159
darth vader kind of the end of uh what

2220
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,880
is that the revenge of the sith

2221
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,719
right and a lot of people were

2222
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:06,480
complaining and i seem to remember a

2223
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:08,320
quote from lucas at the time saying

2224
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:10,719
something to the effect of well for all

2225
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:12,639
of you that wanted to see

2226
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,040
uh darth vader wreaking havoc on the

2227
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:17,199
galaxy and running through killing

2228
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:18,639
people with the power of the force

2229
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,080
that's not the type of movie i'm

2230
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,840
interested in making and i remember

2231
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:23,760
thinking at the time yeah somebody will

2232
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,840
and sure enough

2233
01:24:29,910 --> 01:24:27,440
we see darth vader kicking a little

2234
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:29,920
button it's kind of cool i love it i

2235
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:32,400
love it um matthew riott with the super

2236
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:34,800
chat both of you discord he wants us to

2237
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:37,280
join discord i'm really late to the game

2238
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,880
on that stuff i still don't know how it

2239
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,800
works matthew i'm gonna reach out to you

2240
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:42,239
after this show buddy and you're gonna

2241
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:44,239
get me on discord because i need to be

2242
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:45,920
there chris you need to be there yeah

2243
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:47,920
the debriefing

2244
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:49,199
i'm just very

2245
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:51,280
with the ones i joined that's all i'm

2246
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:53,280
the old man in the room then no right

2247
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,800
knowing what discord well we were on

2248
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:56,960
this group chat at work at the debris if

2249
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:58,480
you remember we all started on something

2250
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:01,040
like a signal yeah and that all got

2251
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,320
dumped and somewhere along the way

2252
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:04,560
christina gomez came in and said hey

2253
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,199
dummies discord's free and we can have a

2254
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:09,679
private meeting room there so

2255
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:12,560
yep yep yep and we haven't been waiting

2256
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:14,080
for you to show up

2257
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:16,000
i'm coming i'm on my way i know i

2258
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:17,440
haven't written at the debrief in a

2259
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,719
while but

2260
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:20,000
i will say

2261
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:23,760
i wrote a huge piece for the debrief

2262
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:25,520
that hopefully

2263
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:28,480
is going to get a um special unveiling

2264
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:31,040
in a top secret project yet to be

2265
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:33,440
announced by the debris yes uh

2266
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,159
uh yes mr mr hanks

2267
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:38,480
has passed along that he has received

2268
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,430
yes top secret project coming earlier

2269
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:49,120
you're coming your way at the debrief

2270
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,280
2022. i've been working on this article

2271
01:25:55,270 --> 01:25:53,360
for over a year i've pissed off some

2272
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,280
people at the defense department and the

2273
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:57,600
navy but um it's gonna be worth it it's

2274
01:26:01,430 --> 01:26:00,560
gonna be worth it let's move on my man

2275
01:26:02,709 --> 01:26:01,440
to

2276
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:02,719
nuclear

2277
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:06,080
reactors nasa wants patel to put a

2278
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,120
nuclear reactor on the moon this is

2279
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:11,679
terrifying tell me what's going on chris

2280
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,480
oh so there was a space treaty back in

2281
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,880
the 70s 80s whenever it was that pretty

2282
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,960
much said we can't put nuclear weapons

2283
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:20,320
in space

2284
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:22,400
but it didn't eliminate the idea of

2285
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:25,760
nuclear reactors and there have been

2286
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:28,320
various satellites and other things very

2287
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:30,400
few but over the years

2288
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,800
that have included nuclear fuel with

2289
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:35,280
some sort of another this is the first

2290
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,480
real talk of putting them on mars or

2291
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:40,639
putting them on the moon yeah there's

2292
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:51,430
and said look if we're going to colonize

2293
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:53,040
the moon and we're going to colonize

2294
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:54,480
mars

2295
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:57,440
shipping 8 million solar panels up there

2296
01:27:02,390 --> 01:26:59,760
to gather that bleak sunlight coming in

2297
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,400
ain't going to do it we're going to need

2298
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:04,400
resident power we're gonna need our own

2299
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,080
power and

2300
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:08,880
pretty much every other form of power is

2301
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:11,199
just doesn't crank enough juice out for

2302
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:14,080
the weight even the densest power rocket

2303
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:16,400
fuels and things you just would have to

2304
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,560
ship tons and tons and tons of it to the

2305
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:21,360
moon to run any sort of habitat but if

2306
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:23,679
you have a couple of nuclear generators

2307
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:25,600
there i mean those things are run

2308
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:28,480
forever and uh once everyone on mars

2309
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:30,639
dies those things will run forever too

2310
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,400
just like fukushima right so um they

2311
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,560
reached out to battelle and said figure

2312
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:38,880
it out and so what battelle did is they

2313
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:41,440
put out an rfp a request for a proposal

2314
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,159
to the industry and said

2315
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,400
submit your ideas we're open we want to

2316
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:48,480
put a nuclear reactor on the moon or on

2317
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,440
mars

2318
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,760
we know it's a dicey proposition we know

2319
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:53,920
there's a lot of danger involved

2320
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:55,679
we're open we're looking for ideas and

2321
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:57,920
literally it was an open rfp i mean ryan

2322
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:59,360
if you wanted to

2323
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:01,040
you could submit one that says i have an

2324
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:03,040
idea for a nuclear reactor that runs on

2325
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:05,600
uh you know bubble gum or whatever yeah

2326
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:06,960
if it works

2327
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,520
uh yeah yeah you could submit that idea

2328
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:11,360
so there would

2329
01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:13,600
mine would run on beer my man for sure

2330
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:15,199
that's wrong

2331
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,520
that runs on beer it's be like how come

2332
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,520
the reactor isn't working and ryan would

2333
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:21,360
be in the corner surrounded by bottles

2334
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,080
going i'm nuts i don't know when we got

2335
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:26,000
here right

2336
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:28,239
don't worry about it don't worry about

2337
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:30,719
it what's the big deal

2338
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:33,199
i love you guys who cares i love you

2339
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,159
guys i love the moon yep so that is that

2340
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:38,560
was a what i call a one story story i'll

2341
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,840
tell my wife and sugar what are you

2342
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:41,600
writing and i say it's a one story story

2343
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:43,920
and the story is they put out a request

2344
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:45,600
for these reactors

2345
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:47,679
what they're gonna get back

2346
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:48,480
what

2347
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:51,040
breakthrough ideas i mean nuclear actors

2348
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:52,800
are pretty for better words pretty

2349
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:55,520
straightforward technology so

2350
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,320
what they're hoping to find what ideas i

2351
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,000
don't know but i can tell you i talk to

2352
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:02,320
people working on fusion reactors and

2353
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:04,400
fusion science all the time because

2354
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:07,040
that's so cutting edge and they are

2355
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,880
constantly coming up with new methods

2356
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,280
and new ideas and new approaches so may

2357
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:13,840
very well be the case in nuclear fission

2358
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:15,679
reactors which are

2359
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:18,159
typical nuclear reactors that yeah may

2360
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:19,760
be the case that they're looking for

2361
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,920
maybe they'll look at thorium reactors

2362
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:23,600
using

2363
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:26,239
molten salts that don't have nuclear

2364
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,719
spills a little more complex to run but

2365
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:30,400
there's some technologies out there that

2366
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:31,840
i'm definitely sure they're going to

2367
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,639
look at and uh

2368
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:36,719
what they'll come up with i don't know

2369
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,360
but yeah if we have habitats permanent

2370
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:41,040
habitats on the moon and permanent

2371
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:43,360
habitats on mars and they have anything

2372
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,520
more than like a little iss crew with

2373
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:47,520
two three four five people at a time but

2374
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:49,600
they actually grow up

2375
01:29:54,070 --> 01:29:51,920
they will more than likely be powered by

2376
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:54,080
a nuclear reactor

2377
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:56,960
interesting yeah all right hey man we

2378
01:30:02,790 --> 01:29:59,520
got nuclear reactors we got oxygen we're

2379
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,800
on our way it's right right totally we

2380
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:04,960
can live on the moon man i mean there's

2381
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:07,920
cosmic rays and radiation and we don't

2382
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,080
know if we can survive in one-sixth

2383
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,639
earth gravity for very long we know that

2384
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:14,639
astronauts that have been on the iss for

2385
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:17,199
a year in zero gravity have all kinds of

2386
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:19,120
health effects from it we know we sent

2387
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:20,400
the twin brother

2388
01:30:24,550 --> 01:30:21,840
of the one up there and they compared

2389
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:24,560
their biology uh the one twin that's the

2390
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:26,320
astronaut went to the iss for a year and

2391
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:28,000
the other one didn't i remember their

2392
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:30,560
names but uh yeah there's swelling of

2393
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:32,719
the eyes and effects of the blood

2394
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:35,360
effects to the the size of the brain

2395
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:38,800
uh effects to muscle atrophy uh affects

2396
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:41,280
the function of organs like the kidney

2397
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:43,840
and pancreas i mean all kinds of stuff

2398
01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:46,239
because again as i said we're earthlings

2399
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:48,320
we're meant to be here and we're meant

2400
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:50,320
to be with this exact amount of gravity

2401
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:53,440
too so we don't know living on the moon

2402
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:54,880
i can tell you if there's multiple

2403
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:56,880
generations of people living on the moon

2404
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,360
and they do survive and they're able to

2405
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:01,679
replicate and prosper i wouldn't be the

2406
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:03,840
least bit surprised if they all end up

2407
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:06,480
way thin and way light because of the

2408
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,960
lighter gravity environment with only a

2409
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:10,560
hand within only a handful of

2410
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:11,840
generations

2411
01:31:15,189 --> 01:31:12,719
so

2412
01:31:17,430 --> 01:31:15,199
hey man i could use that diet for sure

2413
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:17,440
yeah right sent me to the lost

2414
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:19,600
six months yeah

2415
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:22,480
let's do it let's do it well okay man so

2416
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:24,239
this next one we're gonna move a little

2417
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:26,719
bit more into the lighter realm of some

2418
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:28,639
of the science stories here you've

2419
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:30,159
written over at the debrief and this one

2420
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:32,080
really caught my eye because this is a

2421
01:31:38,709 --> 01:31:34,560
big thing here in new york i know it is

2422
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:38,719
on like instagram and youtube um

2423
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:41,520
astrology it's like this big thing it's

2424
01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:44,320
become a you know everyone's doing it

2425
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:47,360
everyone's a part of it um and uh you

2426
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:49,600
wrote this article with one of the best

2427
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:51,440
titles i've ever heard astrology

2428
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:54,639
believers less intelligent and more

2429
01:31:59,430 --> 01:31:56,719
narcissistic i know that's gonna piss

2430
01:32:02,629 --> 01:31:59,440
off some people probably watching this

2431
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:02,639
and i'm sure it has man so tell me what

2432
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:04,880
prompted you to write about this and

2433
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:07,600
what do you think about astrology and is

2434
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:09,199
this so i think it's always a push and

2435
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:11,280
pull with the debrief where we're trying

2436
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:13,280
to be as scientifically accurate as we

2437
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:16,000
can but we're constantly reporting on

2438
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:17,920
fringe science i'm reporting on guys

2439
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:20,880
with fringe theories and physics fringe

2440
01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:23,199
theories and warp propulsion

2441
01:32:29,910 --> 01:32:27,520
all kinds of areas so i'm really careful

2442
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:29,920
when i write something about something

2443
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:33,040
that that is labeled a pseudo science

2444
01:32:39,189 --> 01:32:35,920
which is what the researchers labeled

2445
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:39,199
astrology in the study i talked about

2446
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:41,440
in this particular case

2447
01:32:45,669 --> 01:32:43,199
what they did was really simple they

2448
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:45,679
created a questionnaire they put it out

2449
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:47,679
on uh they looked for volunteers on

2450
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:49,679
facebook to respond to it

2451
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:51,840
and it had a bunch of questions

2452
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:54,480
and the questions were uh

2453
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:56,560
a to determine whether or not you

2454
01:33:01,750 --> 01:32:58,480
believe in astrology

2455
01:33:03,669 --> 01:33:01,760
um to determine your the big personality

2456
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:03,679
characteristics that are part of a lot

2457
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:05,760
of personality tests now

2458
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:08,800
uh to determine narcissism

2459
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,560
and then to determine a level of

2460
01:33:14,709 --> 01:33:12,560
intelligence

2461
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:14,719
so they were just trying to get like us

2462
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:17,360
a breakdown of people that were into

2463
01:33:20,709 --> 01:33:18,880
astrology

2464
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:20,719
for their personality all their

2465
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:22,560
different personality traits

2466
01:33:27,270 --> 01:33:25,280
as well as whether they were more or

2467
01:33:28,709 --> 01:33:27,280
less open-minded whether they were more

2468
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,719
or less likely to believe in

2469
01:33:34,149 --> 01:33:31,280
pseudoscience or conspiracy theories and

2470
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:34,159
and just see where this falls down

2471
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:36,320
and unfortunately for people that

2472
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:38,000
subscribe to it and follow it and

2473
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:41,600
believe in it um there was a strong the

2474
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:43,840
single strongest correlation in the

2475
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:46,320
study with the belief in astrology was

2476
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:49,120
narcissism now keep in mind just the

2477
01:33:52,870 --> 01:33:50,960
simple idea of

2478
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:52,880
the the planets the movement of the

2479
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:55,760
planets the movement of the stars affect

2480
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:58,000
my personal life

2481
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:00,719
and my personal well-being

2482
01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:02,800
simply could just that could be what

2483
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:05,760
that's reflecting of it's just people

2484
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:08,000
that think that are likely to think that

2485
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:08,800
hey

2486
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:11,120
i'm more important right like

2487
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:14,320
the the the study was titled something i

2488
01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:16,000
mentioned in the article but the study

2489
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:17,360
was like

2490
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:20,159
even the stars think i'm special i think

2491
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,760
that was literally the name the

2492
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:23,840
researchers used in the headline of the

2493
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,880
article

2494
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:26,000
so

2495
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:28,480
i think for that particular component i

2496
01:34:32,149 --> 01:34:29,679
don't know that there's a lot of

2497
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:32,159
argument you can make about that other

2498
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:34,000
than they're just they're saying what

2499
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:35,760
they found in the study

2500
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:38,000
the correlations with less intelligence

2501
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:40,400
conspiracy theory and pseudoscience

2502
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:41,920
unfortunately

2503
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,639
it just you know

2504
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:46,800
astrology looks like science right it

2505
01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:49,280
has all this information it has all this

2506
01:34:53,590 --> 01:34:51,360
mathematics and this goes here on this

2507
01:34:55,510 --> 01:34:53,600
day and this goes there on that day it

2508
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:55,520
has the structure

2509
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:58,560
of a scientific system

2510
01:35:01,510 --> 01:34:59,280
but

2511
01:35:02,790 --> 01:35:01,520
the analysis people that have tried to

2512
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:02,800
analyze

2513
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:03,840
um

2514
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:06,560
astrology over the decades have never

2515
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:08,400
been able to correlate

2516
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:10,800
what an astrologer says is a person's

2517
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:13,119
personality or tendencies or likely

2518
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:14,480
behaviors

2519
01:35:19,109 --> 01:35:17,199
with their astrological sign or the

2520
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:19,119
position of the star or the moon or any

2521
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:20,239
of those things

2522
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:21,119
so

2523
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:24,239
from a scientific standpoint yeah i i

2524
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:25,520
don't you know i talked to some

2525
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:27,520
astronomers here and there and i would

2526
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:30,159
guess that among that group astrology is

2527
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:32,320
not very popular because they're trying

2528
01:35:36,070 --> 01:35:33,840
to understand

2529
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:36,080
uh astronomical bodies from a scientific

2530
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:37,280
standpoint they're trying to figure out

2531
01:35:41,669 --> 01:35:38,719
what they're made of what their orbits

2532
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:41,679
are uh how they were created and where

2533
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:43,840
they are in space all those things

2534
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:44,800
so

2535
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:49,679
that astronomers themselves do not do

2536
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:51,840
not love astrology i haven't had anyone

2537
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:53,199
say that to me directly i'm just

2538
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:55,760
suspecting that so it really was just

2539
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:58,239
this study it did it wasn't anyone's

2540
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:59,280
opinion

2541
01:36:02,470 --> 01:36:00,880
it wasn't somebody coming out and gone

2542
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:02,480
ah people that believe in astrology or

2543
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:05,760
idiots it was studies saying we found a

2544
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:08,480
number of correlations to a belief in

2545
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:11,840
astrology now was the goal to set out

2546
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:14,159
and show hey i think astrologer people

2547
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:15,920
that believe it are dumb and believe in

2548
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:18,320
i don't know i that wasn't indicated

2549
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:20,560
anywhere in the study that's terrible it

2550
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,480
was just indicated they wanted to know

2551
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:24,239
what was the personality breakdown of

2552
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:25,760
somebody what is the intelligence of

2553
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:28,800
somebody who's into this system that's

2554
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:31,040
been around for millennia that is really

2555
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:32,960
hard to even trace the background to the

2556
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:34,800
arguments of like where astrology comes

2557
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:38,000
from and the astronomical signs i mean

2558
01:36:41,109 --> 01:36:39,520
they seem to go back thousands of

2559
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:41,119
thousands of years before recorded

2560
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:42,480
history so

2561
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:44,239
trying to take a system that's literally

2562
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:47,520
been around that long and and

2563
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,320
analyze it for validity has been done so

2564
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:52,560
once we've kind of said it seems to not

2565
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:55,840
be real it seems to not indicate that if

2566
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:57,520
you were born on this day and the moon

2567
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:59,040
is in this house and this thing's in

2568
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:01,600
retrograde that you should skip driving

2569
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:02,719
to work that day because you're more

2570
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:05,280
likely to get in an accident or whatever

2571
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:07,280
those correlations just didn't seem to

2572
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:09,920
hold up so yeah this follow-up study

2573
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:12,719
this this was and again it's just a

2574
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:15,520
questionnaire on facebook it's just a

2575
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:17,360
couple of hundred people

2576
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:20,159
and but yeah mj told me our editor told

2577
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:22,880
me that the the feedback at the debrief

2578
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:24,080
has been uh

2579
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:26,400
extreme there's a lot a lot of attention

2580
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:28,080
to it so

2581
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:30,320
i'll admit i'm a little biased as a guy

2582
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:32,560
who writes about science and writes

2583
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:35,040
about people who actually use scientific

2584
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:38,480
method to figure things out i personally

2585
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:41,360
i'm not an astrology guy uh

2586
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:43,840
i don't see a scientific correlation i

2587
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:45,760
will say this and i have this discussion

2588
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:48,880
with chrissy newton the other day

2589
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:50,880
if you were born in the united states or

2590
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:53,280
canada in the second half of the 20th

2591
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:54,639
century

2592
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:57,040
your calendar has a rhythm to it and by

2593
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:58,560
that i mean

2594
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:01,600
in the fall we start school

2595
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:04,320
in the winter we have the holidays the

2596
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:06,960
school year ends in may or june and we

2597
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:09,360
have the summer off and that system's

2598
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:11,040
more or less been in place in american

2599
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:13,040
education since world war ii canadian

2600
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:15,760
education to some degree as well and

2601
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:17,600
social scientists have looked at this

2602
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:19,840
and said sure enough

2603
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:21,600
if you're in that group if you've been

2604
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:24,800
born in the us in the last 70 years 60

2605
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,040
years

2606
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:28,960
when you were born

2607
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:31,920
what time of year you were born may very

2608
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:34,639
well affect you may very well affect

2609
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:36,719
your personality your social

2610
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:38,239
interactions your growth because

2611
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:40,639
children when you're down at first grade

2612
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:42,719
second grade third grade or god forbid

2613
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:44,639
the start of puberty in middle school

2614
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:46,000
and high school

2615
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:48,000
that difference between

2616
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:49,840
three months six months nine months

2617
01:38:54,390 --> 01:38:52,080
older than somebody else in your same

2618
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:54,400
class or even a year older i had friends

2619
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:55,920
in my senior high school that were born

2620
01:38:59,669 --> 01:38:57,760
in september and friends that were born

2621
01:39:02,149 --> 01:38:59,679
in december but a full year later they

2622
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:02,159
were 15 months younger than these kids

2623
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:04,080
in some situations

2624
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:06,480
that that has a dramatic effect i know i

2625
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,239
had a summer birthday so i never got to

2626
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:10,080
celebrate my birthday in class right

2627
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,040
literally

2628
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:13,199
all through elementary school all the

2629
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:15,360
kids that were born in october november

2630
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,920
january you would have a cake in class

2631
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:19,600
and everyone said yeah i just never went

2632
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:20,960
through that i remember at that age

2633
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:23,280
going like this sucks right i don't get

2634
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:24,560
to have cake in school because my

2635
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,880
birthday's at the end of june and i

2636
01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:29,040
hated that so yeah there's a good

2637
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:31,920
argument to be said for a correlation

2638
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:35,040
between birth date and some personality

2639
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,080
traits

2640
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,400
across the general population of north

2641
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:40,400
america but as far as having to do

2642
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,000
anything with the

2643
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:44,639
scorpio and taurus and where stars and

2644
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:46,560
planets are positioned yeah the this

2645
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:48,480
study found that

2646
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:50,080
yeah i think it's important to note in

2647
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:51,440
an era of

2648
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:54,159
conspiracy in pseudosciences

2649
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:54,960
that

2650
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:00,159
point to somebody who can maybe benefit

2651
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:02,480
from a little more science education

2652
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:04,080
is not a bad thing

2653
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:06,480
not at all not at all and you know the

2654
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:08,960
correlation i i can understand that i

2655
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:10,000
mean you

2656
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,880
you have a chaotic world in an uncertain

2657
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:15,520
world especially right now in the middle

2658
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:18,320
of a pandemic i i wouldn't blame a lot

2659
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:20,080
of people for either

2660
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:23,119
buying into conspiracies or uh buying

2661
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:24,080
into

2662
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:26,880
astrology um i'm personally not one of

2663
01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:29,199
those people i don't promote either of

2664
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:31,840
those things conspiracy theory or

2665
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:33,920
astrology uh but

2666
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:36,719
but i can understand you know they both

2667
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:38,960
astrology and conspiracy theory want to

2668
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:41,920
make sense of things that simply don't

2669
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,480
make sense or are simply so uncertain

2670
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:46,800
that we have to make a truth we have to

2671
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:49,920
make find control within that chaos so

2672
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,920
why not why not oh i was born on this

2673
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:54,080
day this means this i'm gonna be safe

2674
01:40:59,590 --> 01:40:57,040
i'm fine or oh we're not being told the

2675
01:41:02,629 --> 01:40:59,600
truth about a vaccine so there's clearly

2676
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:02,639
a conspiracy and this person didn't take

2677
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,800
it and they're alive and this person did

2678
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:06,880
and they died that doesn't make sense to

2679
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:09,199
me so there's clearly a conspiracy no

2680
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:11,280
it's just the world is a chaotic place

2681
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,440
science isn't perfect medicine isn't

2682
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:15,360
perfect and we try to make sense of

2683
01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:17,040
those things so again i'm not promoting

2684
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:19,280
conspiracy theory or astrology but a

2685
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:22,000
part of me understands why some people

2686
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:24,000
do and how it can come off as

2687
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:25,920
narcissistic because at the end of the

2688
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:28,320
day you're interested in that conspiracy

2689
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,000
or astrology

2690
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:32,080
for yourself yeah and how it's going to

2691
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:34,880
affect your life yeah personally um so

2692
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:36,159
and i think yeah

2693
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,080
i think you know like cold readers like

2694
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,560
people that uh pretend to be psychic but

2695
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:42,320
aren't really and they do that for a

2696
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:45,360
living they call it cold reading um if

2697
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:47,119
you go through a cold reading event or

2698
01:41:51,189 --> 01:41:48,480
even a warm reading where they know a

2699
01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:51,199
little information about you uh it you

2700
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:53,600
tend to grab onto the stuff that's right

2701
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:55,280
and kind of dismiss the stuff that's

2702
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:57,199
wrong so if you're reading a horoscope

2703
01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:58,960
about yourself in the morning and says

2704
01:42:01,990 --> 01:42:00,560
you're somebody who really doesn't like

2705
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:02,000
to go to work and you're like god

2706
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:03,600
they're right i really ain't going to

2707
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:05,520
work you're going to grab on to that if

2708
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:07,600
you read that enough days in a row you

2709
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:10,639
go man this this astrology's really on

2710
01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:11,840
to something they've really got me

2711
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:13,679
figured out even if within the same

2712
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:15,840
thing it says you tend to be shy and

2713
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:17,199
you're the person at work that won't

2714
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:19,760
shut up everybody goes well yeah i'm shy

2715
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,520
celebrities say interviews all the time

2716
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:23,760
i'm really a shy person and you're in an

2717
01:42:28,229 --> 01:42:25,760
attention speaking profession on camera

2718
01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:28,239
with lights on you doing an interview

2719
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:29,520
and you're telling people you're shy

2720
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:31,679
because we all on some level feel that

2721
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:34,480
right so all of these personality traits

2722
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:36,719
i think exist in everyone so you can

2723
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:38,800
look at those and cherry pick it go man

2724
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:57,350
yep that's what the debrief is for um

2725
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,600
i've got one more story of yours at the

2726
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:01,119
debrief i do want to cover chris but

2727
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,199
before we do that let's rewind

2728
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:05,520
byron has an interesting question here

2729
01:43:12,149 --> 01:43:07,920
super chat are you following alt energy

2730
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,159
projects like sapphire um ariane.ca

2731
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,880
uh brilliant light power and nj company

2732
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:16,639
any of these come to mind chris anything

2733
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:20,480
i am not you know i cover a lot of uh

2734
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:23,600
alternate propulsion and uh even when i

2735
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:26,080
covered like fusion energy projects

2736
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:28,159
those are in the realm of propulsion so

2737
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:30,000
that's more what i do

2738
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:32,000
but uh

2739
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:36,320
i will screen grab those names or

2740
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:40,159
byron is it byron i remember

2741
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:42,639
drop those in my dms on twitter if

2742
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:45,600
you're over there and uh i will uh i

2743
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:47,280
will either look into it or i will see

2744
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,560
if we can assign it to one of the

2745
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:50,560
writers there to research it and see if

2746
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:52,000
we can get to the bottom of what's going

2747
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:53,280
on if there's something in there our

2748
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:55,440
audience will respond to alternative

2749
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:57,360
energy sounds interesting as heck to me

2750
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:58,159
so

2751
01:44:01,910 --> 01:44:00,080
yeah man he said you need to check him

2752
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:01,920
out definitely there we go

2753
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:04,239
getting some new some new material for

2754
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:06,480
chris thanks byron i appreciate that man

2755
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:09,119
thank you for the super chat thank you

2756
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,800
all right well

2757
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:12,480
again before we get to the last article

2758
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:14,000
chris rodrigo wants to know the

2759
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:16,159
ingenuity helicopter has been performing

2760
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,040
extremely well 16th flight i think what

2761
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:21,360
does chris think then is next for flight

2762
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,750
i love talking about this helicopter

2763
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:29,760
because i get a complaint can i complain

2764
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,639
again

2765
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:32,639
so of course you can i interviewed jaco

2766
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:35,440
karis he's a roboticist at nasa and he's

2767
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,360
the one who designed and built that

2768
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:39,600
ingenuity helicopter and i interviewed

2769
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:41,360
him before the engine ingenuity

2770
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:43,760
helicopter went for its first flights

2771
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:46,080
and uh so at this point it was on its

2772
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,000
way to mars it hadn't even landed we

2773
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:50,000
didn't even know it the the rover was

2774
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:51,280
going to survive much less the

2775
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:54,800
helicopter but in that interview um

2776
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,840
the two questions i asked of him that uh

2777
01:45:02,470 --> 01:44:59,840
it turns out i was on the right track

2778
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,480
but he told me he didn't he fibbed a

2779
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,480
little bit so i asked him i said are

2780
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:06,960
there any secret messages

2781
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:09,440
built onto the ingenuity helicopter

2782
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:11,040
because i talk to engineers and

2783
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:13,360
scientists all the time and they love

2784
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:15,440
signing their work they love putting a

2785
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:17,840
cryptic message or something and he kind

2786
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:20,159
of laughed and hemmed it on and said no

2787
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:22,400
you know all the guys that worked on it

2788
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:23,760
and women that worked on it all the

2789
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:25,920
energy and effort we put into it that

2790
01:45:30,709 --> 01:45:28,480
that's our signature well sure enough

2791
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:30,719
when the thing landed we find out that

2792
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:32,719
it had a piece of the wright brothers

2793
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:34,960
plane original wing

2794
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:36,880
attached to it because it was this

2795
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:38,719
wright brothers moment on another planet

2796
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:41,199
so i knew it and i asked the right

2797
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:44,639
question and jocko you lied to me buddy

2798
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:47,280
so then that's so cool right near the

2799
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:48,880
end of the interview i told him i said

2800
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:50,960
you know with previous rover missions

2801
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:52,639
because i've been following rovers as i

2802
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:55,199
said since spirit opportunity landed on

2803
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:57,119
mars in the late 90s

2804
01:46:01,750 --> 01:45:58,960
and i said i've noticed with previous

2805
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:01,760
rover missions that when they're done

2806
01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:03,280
like for instance spirit and opportunity

2807
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:05,199
had 90 day missions and that was it but

2808
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:07,280
they run away for seven years one grand

2809
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:09,360
i don't know how i mean years and years

2810
01:46:13,109 --> 01:46:11,440
for both of those

2811
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:13,119
so what they do is they have a backup

2812
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:15,040
plan they say okay if we get to 90 days

2813
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:17,440
and we burnt up all of our experiments

2814
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:19,440
we go to the b book of experiments and

2815
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:20,880
then if we burn all those up we do

2816
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:23,440
another 90 another and you constantly

2817
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:24,800
have these like

2818
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:27,199
alternates of if we keep working and the

2819
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,880
thing keeps going what do we do so i

2820
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:30,719
asked choco i said

2821
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:32,560
you guys have xn i forget how many it

2822
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:34,400
was at the time but they had a handful

2823
01:46:39,669 --> 01:46:36,400
of test flights scheduled

2824
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:39,679
and i said when you finish those flights

2825
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:42,239
and you finish that book

2826
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:45,199
if the helicopter is still working

2827
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:47,440
what is the b book what are what are the

2828
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:49,520
what's that next set of missions what do

2829
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:51,520
you guys have planned

2830
01:46:56,550 --> 01:46:54,320
and he told me that at that point the

2831
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,560
mars perseverance rover which is how

2832
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:58,560
they communicate to the helicopter they

2833
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:01,440
talk to an orbital sad thing it talks to

2834
01:47:04,950 --> 01:47:02,800
the rover and the rover talks to the

2835
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:04,960
helicopter that's how we do it

2836
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:07,840
he said it will have to move on to its

2837
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:10,639
own science missions so that will be it

2838
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,320
the helicopter will do those first few

2839
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:14,320
flights and that'll be it so of course

2840
01:47:18,629 --> 01:47:16,480
it had those first few flights and then

2841
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:18,639
nasa announced oh we have a b set of

2842
01:47:23,669 --> 01:47:21,119
missions since it's still working so i

2843
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:23,679
got him twice in that article telling me

2844
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:25,520
not the truth because there were things

2845
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:27,119
he just didn't want to give up he didn't

2846
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:28,639
want to give up the right mother's wing

2847
01:47:32,790 --> 01:47:31,280
which i get and he didn't want to say

2848
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:32,800
we have backup missions because he

2849
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:34,800
wanted everyone focused on those primary

2850
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:38,080
missions so what's gonna happen next i

2851
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:40,159
literally don't know i asked the guy

2852
01:47:43,990 --> 01:47:42,080
directly and he told me there weren't

2853
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:44,000
any and the thing is still doing test

2854
01:47:47,910 --> 01:47:45,360
flights

2855
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:47,920
as far as future projects like that

2856
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:51,360
we're talking about a submarine on titan

2857
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:54,239
which is one of saturn's moons saturn's

2858
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:55,679
moon titan is one of the most

2859
01:48:00,149 --> 01:47:58,159
interesting places in the solar system

2860
01:48:02,310 --> 01:48:00,159
because it has a dense atmosphere like

2861
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:02,320
earth and it has the atmospheric

2862
01:48:05,669 --> 01:48:04,000
pressure almost identical to ours as a

2863
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:05,679
matter of fact other than the fact that

2864
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:07,520
it's about you know depending on the

2865
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:09,360
temperature and time of day it's like

2866
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:12,639
freezing there you could stand on the

2867
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,199
surface of titan in your bathing suit

2868
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,960
and as long as you have a breathing mask

2869
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:18,960
on to protect your eyes ears and face

2870
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:21,520
and stuff and breathe proper air the

2871
01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:23,440
atmospheric pressure and the environment

2872
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:25,840
would actually support us there but what

2873
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:28,719
they also have on on that moon on the

2874
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,440
moon titan is a bunch of lakes

2875
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:33,199
and uh and

2876
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:35,679
not oceans but actual huge bodies of

2877
01:48:41,590 --> 01:48:38,480
liquid lakes now they're not water

2878
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:41,600
they're hydrocarbons so they're uh you

2879
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:44,239
know like uh you know like gasoline and

2880
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:46,000
stuff you know they're they're they're

2881
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:48,000
they're flammable hydrocarbons here on

2882
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:49,280
earth

2883
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:51,119
but they're fully liquid like so we've

2884
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:53,440
talked about putting a submarine up

2885
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:55,840
there because of that dense atmosphere

2886
01:48:59,430 --> 01:48:57,600
if we put a little helicopter like the

2887
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:59,440
one on mars up there you wouldn't even

2888
01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:01,199
have to turn the helicopter blades very

2889
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:03,360
fast and the thing would fly i read an

2890
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:04,880
article that said the atmosphere is so

2891
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,360
good and dense there and the gravity is

2892
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:09,600
light enough that if a man had wings

2893
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:11,199
taped to his arm and you'd get a good

2894
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:14,480
run and flap them you could fly on tight

2895
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:17,280
between the atmosphere density and the

2896
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:20,480
uh and the low gravity so that is a

2897
01:49:24,629 --> 01:49:22,560
place that uh

2898
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:24,639
i think we will plan robotic missions

2899
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:27,679
for as far as another helicopter i think

2900
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:30,000
that was the goal of ingenuity it was

2901
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:32,560
what they call a technology demonstrator

2902
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:34,080
and the goal was to prove that we could

2903
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:35,840
put a helicopter on another planet fly

2904
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:38,320
the thing around and sure enough we did

2905
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:39,840
so

2906
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:41,599
we're gonna do it man they're gonna be

2907
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:44,560
more helicopters fly into more places

2908
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:46,960
that thing was just a proof of concept

2909
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:49,199
i love it and it could not have been

2910
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:51,280
more successful we're living in crazy

2911
01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:53,840
times man i i i can't believe it i feel

2912
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:56,880
so blessed to like be living in this age

2913
01:50:01,510 --> 01:50:00,560
oh this next 50 years of science ryan

2914
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:01,520
you know

2915
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:04,480
setting aside that we may be on the cusp

2916
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:06,560
of the hugest story of mankind regarding

2917
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:09,520
ufos and alien life just setting that

2918
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:12,000
aside the progress we are making the

2919
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:14,560
progress humans are making in science

2920
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,080
understanding technology and

2921
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:18,480
developments is just

2922
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,719
incredible and amazing and it's growing

2923
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:22,480
at an exponential rate you know back in

2924
01:50:27,270 --> 01:50:25,040
the back in the times of the uh the

2925
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:27,280
apollo moon landings the population of

2926
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:29,360
earth was like 20 of what it is now so

2927
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:30,960
we just have a lot more people working

2928
01:50:36,149 --> 01:50:33,520
on it we have scientists working

2929
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:36,159
they're scientists in in china and korea

2930
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:38,560
and japan scientists in europe south and

2931
01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:40,639
central america there are people that

2932
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:41,840
write

2933
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:44,880
masters theses and phd theses about

2934
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:47,360
things like warp drive and wormholes and

2935
01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:50,000
time travel all of these cutting edge

2936
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:52,000
sciences all these amazing things you

2937
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:54,000
can think of people are working on them

2938
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:55,040
and people are trying to make them

2939
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:57,040
happen and that's never been like that

2940
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:58,159
in history

2941
01:51:02,149 --> 01:51:00,239
it's amazing and you're bringing us the

2942
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:02,159
most up-to-date information that's right

2943
01:51:04,830 --> 01:51:04,000
those scientists are trying to write

2944
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,840
about

2945
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:06,560
stuff

2946
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:09,119
i love it warlock says great show guest

2947
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:11,440
ryan thank you orla we really i know i

2948
01:51:16,629 --> 01:51:14,480
wasn't as comedic today i didn't hate

2949
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:16,639
comedy as i usually do but you were

2950
01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:19,119
asking a lot of science questions

2951
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:21,280
and that's what i wanted man i will do

2952
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:24,080
the stand-up show another time maybe for

2953
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:25,920
the patreon we'll do that um but the

2954
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:28,320
last story i want to cover with you here

2955
01:51:33,589 --> 01:51:30,400
um now i

2956
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:33,599
by trade am a bartender

2957
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:36,000
when i'm not a playwright screenwriter

2958
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:38,320
or ufologist i attend bar here in new

2959
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:40,960
york at the broadway shows but i also

2960
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:42,080
have a

2961
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:44,719
history in um specialty coffee i'm a

2962
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:46,239
coffee snob

2963
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:49,360
i opened a coffee shop in los angeles uh

2964
01:51:53,830 --> 01:51:51,440
when i was living out there not i didn't

2965
01:51:56,550 --> 01:51:53,840
own it but i helped open it um called

2966
01:51:58,629 --> 01:51:56,560
coffee for sasquatch so i love me some

2967
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:58,639
coffee man it's in my blood every second

2968
01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:00,880
of every day and now

2969
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:02,960
i'm learning you know

2970
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:04,320
you always hear

2971
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:06,639
on the news every night it's coffee will

2972
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:08,800
cause cancer no it won't yes it will no

2973
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:10,320
it won't yes it will no it won't it's

2974
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,360
good for you it's bad for you it's good

2975
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:13,440
for you it's bad for you and you just

2976
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:15,760
came out with an article about coffee

2977
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:18,480
and alzheimer's disease so could you

2978
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:21,040
tell us the correlation and uh what you

2979
01:52:24,870 --> 01:52:22,719
discovered in this article if you don't

2980
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:24,880
mind yeah well first let me start with

2981
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:26,960
this ryan coffee is good for you keep

2982
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:29,440
drinking so um you have to tell me

2983
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,320
choice

2984
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:32,639
the biggest controversies around coffee

2985
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:34,960
historically have been around caffeine

2986
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:36,719
and caffeine addiction because if you're

2987
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:39,440
drinking six seven eight cups a day and

2988
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:40,960
you're feeling dragged down if you don't

2989
01:52:45,589 --> 01:52:42,880
drink that many yeah you might have a

2990
01:52:47,669 --> 01:52:45,599
caffeine problem or a stimulant problem

2991
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:47,679
and uh you know you're a mini tweaker

2992
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:51,360
little coffee tweaker but

2993
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:53,840
as far as the bean itself

2994
01:52:57,550 --> 01:52:56,000
the coffee bean really is a magical bean

2995
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:57,560
it's full of these things called

2996
01:53:02,070 --> 01:52:59,679
bioflavonoids which have tons of health

2997
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:02,080
benefits it's full of antioxidants that

2998
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:04,800
have tons of health benefits and for

2999
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:06,400
some people can the caffeine is

3000
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:08,000
beneficial as a matter of fact there's

3001
01:53:13,109 --> 01:53:10,800
been a lot of studies showing uh help

3002
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:13,119
health benefits for diabetics for

3003
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:15,760
drinking coffee and in many ways it

3004
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:17,199
really is just doing what you do it's

3005
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:19,119
just amping up your uh metabolism a

3006
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:20,800
little bit helping your body process out

3007
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:23,520
that sugar and stave it off

3008
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:26,159
this one about alzheimer's was really

3009
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:28,080
interesting

3010
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:31,280
because they basically took about 10 000

3011
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,760
people that they studied over a couple

3012
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:35,280
of decades

3013
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:38,560
and looked at their looked at the onset

3014
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:40,639
of alzheimer's and dementia and

3015
01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:42,880
alzheimer's like symptoms

3016
01:53:49,750 --> 01:53:46,080
and they found a correlation

3017
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:49,760
to drinking coffee and the delayed or no

3018
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:52,560
onset of the symptoms and

3019
01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:54,560
the thing that was most exciting for

3020
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:56,320
people like you ryan

3021
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:58,239
is they found that the more coffee the

3022
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:00,880
better so two cups had a better effect

3023
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:02,719
three cups had a better effect they

3024
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:04,719
didn't target an upper limit in the

3025
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:05,679
study

3026
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:07,679
but the more coffee the better for

3027
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:10,400
preventing alzheimer's what the exact

3028
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:14,480
mechanism is is is is being looked at i

3029
01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:16,960
can tell you this that most studies that

3030
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:20,080
study alzheimer's focus on those amyloid

3031
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:22,080
beta proteins that build up on the brain

3032
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,080
like plaque and just kind of interfere

3033
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:26,880
with everything working right and uh

3034
01:54:32,629 --> 01:54:29,440
that this may uh reduce the growth of

3035
01:54:35,990 --> 01:54:32,639
those or reduce the size of those it may

3036
01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:36,000
just be the anti-inflammatory

3037
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:38,480
effects of the bean itself but they

3038
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,360
found a real measurable benefit to it

3039
01:54:46,390 --> 01:54:43,840
and what's interesting is they found it

3040
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:46,400
with a decaf coffee as well so it was

3041
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:48,960
definitely not a caffeine related uh

3042
01:54:54,310 --> 01:54:52,000
benefit but it was specifically to the

3043
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:54,320
the benefits in the coffee bean itself

3044
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,119
which i will reiterate is a very healthy

3045
01:55:01,589 --> 01:54:59,119
bean with a lot of i'm not a big coffee

3046
01:55:02,629 --> 01:55:01,599
drinker my wife loves it but uh it's

3047
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:02,639
it's

3048
01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:04,960
for every study that says don't drink

3049
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:07,119
coffee i'll find you 20 that explain why

3050
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:08,480
it's good

3051
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:11,040
yup the coffee industrial complex which

3052
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:14,080
i am a part of that's right

3053
01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:16,239
i love it man that's exciting to hear

3054
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:18,000
because you know every day i think of

3055
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:20,960
quentin um because yeah i i probably

3056
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:23,679
have a small bit of an addiction but um

3057
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:26,960
i also really appreciate uh coffee for

3058
01:55:30,830 --> 01:55:28,639
you know the artistry of it and the

3059
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:30,840
different beans and everything and

3060
01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:32,639
now

3061
01:55:35,910 --> 01:55:34,320
i love it yep there's a lot of

3062
01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:35,920
breakthroughs and alzheimer's coming

3063
01:55:40,070 --> 01:55:37,440
because we've really put a ton of money

3064
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:40,080
and research into it and because uh

3065
01:55:44,629 --> 01:55:41,920
research has been able to really zero in

3066
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:44,639
and target on this protein uh there's a

3067
01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:46,159
couple there's a couple more treatments

3068
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:47,520
there's one that's been announced

3069
01:55:52,149 --> 01:55:50,080
recently that's all over the news

3070
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:52,159
everywhere is a new drug

3071
01:55:56,709 --> 01:55:55,040
i can't remember the name uh but if you

3072
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:56,719
take this it will

3073
01:56:01,669 --> 01:55:59,040
essentially over time eliminate or

3074
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:01,679
greatly reduce those so they're looking

3075
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:03,599
not only as a preventative but actually

3076
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:06,239
a reversing of alzheimer's i can tell

3077
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,080
you my father suffers with alzheimer's

3078
01:56:12,149 --> 01:56:10,000
so it's not a pretty picture and it's

3079
01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:12,159
definitely something that even an

3080
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:15,119
extremely expensive treatment uh is a

3081
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:17,360
welcome one they're also working on an

3082
01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:19,920
alzheimer's vaccine

3083
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,440
and this is something i'll be reporting

3084
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:24,000
about in the coming weeks but basically

3085
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:25,599
the idea is

3086
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:28,080
if we have these new treatments to

3087
01:56:32,470 --> 01:56:30,480
eliminate these proteins

3088
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:32,480
what if we could trigger our body's own

3089
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:34,880
immune response to just prevent those

3090
01:56:39,030 --> 01:56:36,639
proteins from building up in the first

3091
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,040
place to prevent that amyloid beta from

3092
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:41,440
building up around the brain and causing

3093
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:43,119
these problems and that's the idea

3094
01:56:47,669 --> 01:56:45,520
behind this vaccine and i wouldn't be

3095
01:56:49,990 --> 01:56:47,679
the least bit surprised ryan by the time

3096
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:50,000
i'm having to to face the possibility of

3097
01:56:54,709 --> 01:56:53,119
that my 60s or 70s or or you a guy who's

3098
01:56:57,589 --> 01:56:54,719
a little younger than me having to face

3099
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:57,599
that uh that there's just a vaccine you

3100
01:57:01,830 --> 01:56:59,760
go and get just like you you can get the

3101
01:57:03,750 --> 01:57:01,840
shingles vaccine now or you can get the

3102
01:57:05,109 --> 01:57:03,760
uh uh yeah i hear there's some other

3103
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:05,119
vaccine in the news i don't remember

3104
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:06,960
which one it is but

3105
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:09,360
yeah that's really interesting well and

3106
01:57:13,270 --> 01:57:11,440
then you know we also have a huge

3107
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:13,280
problem with diabetes at least here in

3108
01:57:19,830 --> 01:57:16,320
america okay so again if something like

3109
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:19,840
a vaccine or um a coffee bean can help

3110
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:20,880
like

3111
01:57:28,550 --> 01:57:26,560
embrace these things i love the only

3112
01:57:30,709 --> 01:57:28,560
thing i would and i'm no doctor the only

3113
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:30,719
thing i would warn people about coffee

3114
01:57:35,270 --> 01:57:33,119
and excessive coffee drinking and this

3115
01:57:37,430 --> 01:57:35,280
is gonna stink for those people but if

3116
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:37,440
you're pregnant there's a decent number

3117
01:57:43,350 --> 01:57:40,719
of studies that are kind of go both ways

3118
01:57:45,910 --> 01:57:43,360
so the effects it can have on your kid

3119
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:45,920
could be positive could be negative so

3120
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:48,080
if you are a coffee drinker and you can

3121
01:57:51,830 --> 01:57:50,159
skip it for those nine months which

3122
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:51,840
would be insane for most people that

3123
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:53,840
drink coffee regularly

3124
01:57:56,870 --> 01:57:55,280
you know it's at least something to talk

3125
01:57:59,669 --> 01:57:56,880
to your doctor about looked into the

3126
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:59,679
studies but for the vast majority of

3127
01:58:03,030 --> 01:58:00,960
scenarios

3128
01:58:05,109 --> 01:58:03,040
coffee is constantly shocking us with

3129
01:58:07,669 --> 01:58:05,119
its health benefits

3130
01:58:10,870 --> 01:58:07,679
love it love it i'm all for it well hey

3131
01:58:14,149 --> 01:58:10,880
man let's end with um what to look

3132
01:58:16,629 --> 01:58:14,159
forward to we're heading into 2022

3133
01:58:19,589 --> 01:58:16,639
um hopeful of many things new

3134
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:19,599
discoveries so twofold question for you

3135
01:58:24,470 --> 01:58:22,080
before we go chris um

3136
01:58:27,109 --> 01:58:24,480
what do you hope to see in 2022 when it

3137
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:27,119
comes to space exploration and the hunt

3138
01:58:32,790 --> 01:58:29,760
for aliens and the second part of that

3139
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:32,800
what do you hope for in terms of the uap

3140
01:58:39,750 --> 01:58:34,960
topic so hit us with what you hope for

3141
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:40,629
so

3142
01:58:47,189 --> 01:58:44,239
on the uap topic i will say that i think

3143
01:58:48,709 --> 01:58:47,199
we're on the precipice of something

3144
01:58:50,870 --> 01:58:48,719
so

3145
01:58:52,950 --> 01:58:50,880
the people i work with that report on

3146
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:52,960
this stuff exclusively

3147
01:58:56,950 --> 01:58:55,520
try and temper expectations all the time

3148
01:58:58,229 --> 01:58:56,960
because we really don't know what's

3149
01:59:01,189 --> 01:58:58,239
coming out

3150
01:59:03,830 --> 01:59:01,199
i'm a firm believer that 2022 is the

3151
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:03,840
year we hear somebody in official

3152
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:05,520
capacity say

3153
01:59:10,149 --> 01:59:08,719
a non-human technological intelligence

3154
01:59:12,310 --> 01:59:10,159
i just think that's going to happen i

3155
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:12,320
think we're there i think we've

3156
01:59:15,910 --> 01:59:13,760
eliminated

3157
01:59:17,990 --> 01:59:15,920
you know there were always three ideas

3158
01:59:19,510 --> 01:59:18,000
ufos are a hallucination not real

3159
01:59:22,310 --> 01:59:19,520
misidentification whatever you want to

3160
01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:22,320
call it but they're not a thing

3161
01:59:26,790 --> 01:59:24,639
they're secret military

3162
01:59:28,550 --> 01:59:26,800
or they're a non-human technological

3163
01:59:30,870 --> 01:59:28,560
intelligence of some sort aliens

3164
01:59:33,270 --> 01:59:30,880
whatever trans dimensions

3165
01:59:36,790 --> 01:59:33,280
that first one's pretty much done the

3166
01:59:39,109 --> 01:59:36,800
the idea that all ufos that every pilot

3167
01:59:40,669 --> 01:59:39,119
reports and every radar season all these

3168
01:59:42,629 --> 01:59:40,679
things are just

3169
01:59:44,629 --> 01:59:42,639
misidentifications or atmospheric

3170
01:59:46,709 --> 01:59:44,639
phenomena or other things i think that's

3171
01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:46,719
over leslie kane said it with her last

3172
01:59:52,629 --> 01:59:48,880
story she wrote in the new york times

3173
01:59:54,870 --> 01:59:52,639
that the question of if ufos are real

3174
01:59:57,589 --> 01:59:54,880
is over and i do agree with her i think

3175
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:57,599
that that has been set aside

3176
02:00:02,070 --> 01:59:59,920
we're now entering an area

3177
02:00:04,470 --> 02:00:02,080
where those in the position to know

3178
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:04,480
those people with more information with

3179
02:00:09,589 --> 02:00:06,800
more pictures with more videos are going

3180
02:00:12,629 --> 02:00:09,599
to be put in a position to either say

3181
02:00:15,189 --> 02:00:12,639
it's us or it's not us and if they say

3182
02:00:18,229 --> 02:00:15,199
it's not us and they say conclusively

3183
02:00:21,030 --> 02:00:18,239
it's not another human intelligence that

3184
02:00:23,669 --> 02:00:21,040
only leaves the alternative and so i

3185
02:00:26,229 --> 02:00:23,679
think that's coming i do i think 2022 is

3186
02:00:28,950 --> 02:00:26,239
the year i think a lot is built to that

3187
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:28,960
i think guys like melanin elizondo

3188
02:00:34,229 --> 02:00:31,360
lit that flame and however you feel

3189
02:00:35,030 --> 02:00:34,239
about them and i always cover my bases

3190
02:00:36,950 --> 02:00:35,040
with

3191
02:00:39,109 --> 02:00:36,960
their former intelligence community

3192
02:00:40,790 --> 02:00:39,119
people and it could definitely be human

3193
02:00:43,430 --> 02:00:40,800
technology that they're just not telling

3194
02:00:46,470 --> 02:00:43,440
us about their job is to distract

3195
02:00:48,390 --> 02:00:46,480
but uh if that's not the case if we do

3196
02:00:51,830 --> 02:00:48,400
ultimately land on

3197
02:00:54,470 --> 02:00:51,840
it's not human and and then not not ours

3198
02:00:57,270 --> 02:00:54,480
and not uh an adversaries

3199
02:00:59,990 --> 02:00:57,280
non-human becomes the last option and i

3200
02:01:01,910 --> 02:01:00,000
think this 2022 may be the year that

3201
02:01:03,669 --> 02:01:01,920
that breaks open and i've never said

3202
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:03,679
that i've been following as i said i've

3203
02:01:08,310 --> 02:01:05,520
been following this topic and next year

3204
02:01:09,910 --> 02:01:08,320
it'll be 45 years of my life and i never

3205
02:01:11,830 --> 02:01:09,920
felt that was coming other than when i

3206
02:01:13,109 --> 02:01:11,840
was a little kid and i saw in search

3207
02:01:15,030 --> 02:01:13,119
everyone okay we're going to get the

3208
02:01:17,270 --> 02:01:15,040
truth about ufos because the guy just

3209
02:01:19,350 --> 02:01:17,280
said it and i'm 11 years old but in the

3210
02:01:20,709 --> 02:01:19,360
time in between even after stephen

3211
02:01:23,109 --> 02:01:20,719
greer's uh

3212
02:01:24,790 --> 02:01:23,119
press club event other big things that

3213
02:01:27,030 --> 02:01:24,800
have happened

3214
02:01:29,109 --> 02:01:27,040
the wilson davis documents coming out

3215
02:01:31,589 --> 02:01:29,119
all of these sort of things i just never

3216
02:01:33,830 --> 02:01:31,599
felt like we were on the precipice i

3217
02:01:37,189 --> 02:01:33,840
think with nasa looking at it with

3218
02:01:40,390 --> 02:01:37,199
galileo looking at it with the military

3219
02:01:42,870 --> 02:01:40,400
looking at it with maybe a congressional

3220
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:42,880
office set up through the gillibrand

3221
02:01:47,430 --> 02:01:45,360
amendment i think too many people are

3222
02:01:49,030 --> 02:01:47,440
looking and i think we've proven that

3223
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:49,040
the phenomenon is real it's a

3224
02:01:53,430 --> 02:01:51,360
phenomenon's real and that many people

3225
02:01:55,189 --> 02:01:53,440
are looking somebody's going to figure

3226
02:01:57,270 --> 02:01:55,199
it out and i think we're on the

3227
02:02:00,790 --> 02:01:57,280
precipice of that answer

3228
02:02:03,270 --> 02:02:00,800
i love that man well okay so that gives

3229
02:02:05,189 --> 02:02:03,280
me hope with ufos how about alien life

3230
02:02:07,030 --> 02:02:05,199
what are you looking forward to most in

3231
02:02:07,990 --> 02:02:07,040
the search for that

3232
02:02:11,189 --> 02:02:08,000
so much

3233
02:02:13,350 --> 02:02:11,199
this is so crazy ryan in many ways

3234
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:13,360
there's a race right when we were little

3235
02:02:17,430 --> 02:02:15,920
kids and there were ufo reports and

3236
02:02:18,709 --> 02:02:17,440
people go what can't be secret

3237
02:02:20,550 --> 02:02:18,719
technology because we're just not

3238
02:02:22,390 --> 02:02:20,560
evolved enough right like what we're

3239
02:02:23,750 --> 02:02:22,400
still fry you know we're barely getting

3240
02:02:25,830 --> 02:02:23,760
rockets to the moon we're definitely not

3241
02:02:28,149 --> 02:02:25,840
flying around it at mach 10 with no

3242
02:02:30,070 --> 02:02:28,159
sonic boom or whatever so there was this

3243
02:02:31,270 --> 02:02:30,080
constant move tour well there will be a

3244
02:02:32,709 --> 02:02:31,280
day

3245
02:02:34,950 --> 02:02:32,719
when

3246
02:02:36,950 --> 02:02:34,960
uh technology human technology is so

3247
02:02:39,109 --> 02:02:36,960
sophisticated that you could just

3248
02:02:41,109 --> 02:02:39,119
reliably say ah it's probably a secret

3249
02:02:43,510 --> 02:02:41,119
project and we just don't know about it

3250
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:43,520
we're getting there but what's happening

3251
02:02:48,070 --> 02:02:45,280
at the same time is

3252
02:02:49,270 --> 02:02:48,080
an entire wave

3253
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:49,280
of people

3254
02:02:52,709 --> 02:02:51,360
that are my age and younger some a

3255
02:02:55,109 --> 02:02:52,719
little older but

3256
02:02:56,470 --> 02:02:55,119
more or less gen xers

3257
02:02:59,750 --> 02:02:56,480
millennials

3258
02:03:01,910 --> 02:02:59,760
and gen zers are growing up in a world

3259
02:03:03,750 --> 02:03:01,920
where the idea of going to another

3260
02:03:05,109 --> 02:03:03,760
planet is not only not crazy it's

3261
02:03:06,870 --> 02:03:05,119
something we do

3262
02:03:09,109 --> 02:03:06,880
the idea of traveling in space is

3263
02:03:11,589 --> 02:03:09,119
something we do the idea that there are

3264
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:11,599
planets around other stars is something

3265
02:03:16,310 --> 02:03:14,320
we just know now it's not some that you

3266
02:03:17,350 --> 02:03:16,320
know in the 90s we were still i was an

3267
02:03:20,709 --> 02:03:17,360
adult

3268
02:03:23,189 --> 02:03:20,719
in 1990 still at 21 years old ago are we

3269
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:23,199
ever gonna find it and by 95 we found

3270
02:03:27,750 --> 02:03:24,880
the first one and now there's thousands

3271
02:03:30,550 --> 02:03:27,760
that we found so the technology and the

3272
02:03:33,109 --> 02:03:30,560
science keeps moving towards

3273
02:03:34,550 --> 02:03:33,119
that discovery and what i think is going

3274
02:03:36,870 --> 02:03:34,560
to happen

3275
02:03:38,709 --> 02:03:36,880
is if we don't get a big ufo

3276
02:03:39,669 --> 02:03:38,719
breakthrough in the next year or two

3277
02:03:41,669 --> 02:03:39,679
years

3278
02:03:44,070 --> 02:03:41,679
it won't matter because science will

3279
02:03:46,310 --> 02:03:44,080
catch up on his own i think the james

3280
02:03:49,030 --> 02:03:46,320
webb telescope i think the giant

3281
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:49,040
magellan i think the levoir which has

3282
02:03:54,310 --> 02:03:51,679
been proposed to search for earth 2 i

3283
02:03:56,709 --> 02:03:54,320
think all these other observations and

3284
02:03:59,109 --> 02:03:56,719
all of these scientists programs i think

3285
02:04:00,870 --> 02:03:59,119
things like galileo what we're going to

3286
02:04:01,910 --> 02:04:00,880
find is we're going to find multiple

3287
02:04:04,149 --> 02:04:01,920
planets

3288
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:04,159
with signs of life in their atmosphere

3289
02:04:07,990 --> 02:04:05,920
meaning an atmospheric composition that

3290
02:04:10,069 --> 02:04:08,000
really seems to imply their stuff living

3291
02:04:12,870 --> 02:04:10,079
there and then you get into a real

3292
02:04:15,430 --> 02:04:12,880
simple question if the cosmos is for our

3293
02:04:17,589 --> 02:04:15,440
galaxy is 13 and a half billion years

3294
02:04:19,109 --> 02:04:17,599
old and ursula been around for the last

3295
02:04:21,589 --> 02:04:19,119
four and change

3296
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:21,599
what about all these planets many of

3297
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:23,599
which had a big head start on us if we

3298
02:04:27,189 --> 02:04:25,360
start finding signs of life in their

3299
02:04:28,870 --> 02:04:27,199
atmosphere are you going to tell me

3300
02:04:31,109 --> 02:04:28,880
those are more primitive even though

3301
02:04:33,189 --> 02:04:31,119
they got here first i mean if you don't

3302
02:04:35,990 --> 02:04:33,199
believe in evolution baby

3303
02:04:38,229 --> 02:04:36,000
but uh yeah so i think these two worlds

3304
02:04:40,550 --> 02:04:38,239
are getting ready to collide i think we

3305
02:04:42,950 --> 02:04:40,560
are going to find signs of life in the

3306
02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:42,960
atmosphere the planets in the trappist

3307
02:04:48,390 --> 02:04:45,760
system potentially we have seven planets

3308
02:04:50,830 --> 02:04:48,400
to look at there at least four of which

3309
02:04:53,030 --> 02:04:50,840
are probably rocky and in the habitable

3310
02:04:54,950 --> 02:04:53,040
zone and then there are proposed

3311
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:54,960
missions to send a telescope or

3312
02:05:00,149 --> 02:04:58,480
observatory out to a little over 500 au

3313
02:05:02,149 --> 02:05:00,159
from earth which is an au is the

3314
02:05:03,270 --> 02:05:02,159
distance from earth to the sun and

3315
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:03,280
without getting into all the

3316
02:05:07,030 --> 02:05:05,440
technicalities when you go out there you

3317
02:05:09,030 --> 02:05:07,040
can take advantage of something called

3318
02:05:11,589 --> 02:05:09,040
gravitational lensing and you can

3319
02:05:13,910 --> 02:05:11,599
directly image a planet so we can send a

3320
02:05:16,470 --> 02:05:13,920
telescope out to this spot and it can

3321
02:05:18,310 --> 02:05:16,480
take pictures of these planets it can

3322
02:05:20,950 --> 02:05:18,320
look right at it imagine you take a

3323
02:05:23,750 --> 02:05:20,960
night picture of trappist-1c

3324
02:05:26,870 --> 02:05:23,760
and you see city lights in there right

3325
02:05:29,109 --> 02:05:26,880
like a map signatures baby yeah right

3326
02:05:31,910 --> 02:05:29,119
and that's coming man those things are

3327
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:31,920
coming in our lifetime right so even if

3328
02:05:37,270 --> 02:05:34,400
the whole ufo thing just went to crap

3329
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:37,280
and the military never did anything and

3330
02:05:41,990 --> 02:05:39,280
and avilo came out and said yeah i

3331
02:05:43,910 --> 02:05:42,000
didn't find anything you know and uh and

3332
02:05:45,669 --> 02:05:43,920
nasa came out said yeah it was a bunch

3333
02:05:47,669 --> 02:05:45,679
of weather balloons and everybody had

3334
02:05:49,030 --> 02:05:47,679
told us the worst answer

3335
02:05:50,629 --> 02:05:49,040
i don't think it will matter i think

3336
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:50,639
we're going to find signs of life

3337
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:52,480
through good old-fashioned mainstream

3338
02:05:56,870 --> 02:05:55,199
science then what happens if we find the

3339
02:05:58,950 --> 02:05:56,880
signs of life around a thousand

3340
02:06:01,189 --> 02:05:58,960
different planets do we all sit around

3341
02:06:04,470 --> 02:06:01,199
and go none of them have intelligent

3342
02:06:05,750 --> 02:06:04,480
life and they've all evolved after us or

3343
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:05,760
did we start

3344
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:08,480
looking at the possibility that in a 14

3345
02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:10,400
billion year old cosmos where we're here

3346
02:06:15,589 --> 02:06:12,719
for the last four that some intelligent

3347
02:06:18,069 --> 02:06:15,599
of life evolved elsewhere

3348
02:06:19,990 --> 02:06:18,079
before us and has the technological

3349
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:20,000
know-how to come here and visit even if

3350
02:06:25,030 --> 02:06:21,679
it's just with probes which is something

3351
02:06:27,910 --> 02:06:25,040
we do all the stinking time right ah

3352
02:06:30,149 --> 02:06:27,920
that gives me so much hope man i knew

3353
02:06:32,390 --> 02:06:30,159
man i'm not good

3354
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:32,400
good stuff is coming people science is

3355
02:06:37,030 --> 02:06:35,199
going to answer these questions

3356
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:37,040
well good stuff is coming chris that's

3357
02:06:41,830 --> 02:06:38,880
how we're going to end it man please

3358
02:06:43,910 --> 02:06:41,840
tell us what comes next for you over at

3359
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:43,920
the debrief what we can expect in the

3360
02:06:48,629 --> 02:06:47,119
coming week month maybe and um yeah

3361
02:06:50,310 --> 02:06:48,639
where we can find everything you're up

3362
02:06:52,550 --> 02:06:50,320
to tease us a little bit if you don't

3363
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:52,560
you see me on twitter tomorrow tell me

3364
02:06:57,189 --> 02:06:54,800
chris quit tweeting and go back to work

3365
02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:57,199
because i have all the information came

3366
02:07:00,229 --> 02:06:59,040
in today the last

3367
02:07:03,430 --> 02:07:00,239
photos

3368
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:03,440
uh videos links everything i needed for

3369
02:07:08,229 --> 02:07:06,719
the warp bubble story is in my hand

3370
02:07:10,069 --> 02:07:08,239
so tomorrow

3371
02:07:12,629 --> 02:07:10,079
when i wake up and i have my first

3372
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:12,639
couple cups of alzheimer's preventing

3373
02:07:16,229 --> 02:07:14,880
diabetes fighting coffee

3374
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:16,239
i will get launched into the

3375
02:07:20,870 --> 02:07:17,920
stratosphere and i will finish that

3376
02:07:23,030 --> 02:07:20,880
story i will turn it into mj and he will

3377
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:23,040
either run it on thursday friday or

3378
02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:25,679
monday depending on his whims times and

3379
02:07:30,870 --> 02:07:28,079
availability but i can tell you that a

3380
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:30,880
story i've been excited about the story

3381
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:33,119
i couldn't believe it when the research

3382
02:07:37,750 --> 02:07:35,280
excuse me when the researcher involved

3383
02:07:40,229 --> 02:07:37,760
told me about it is finally here i've

3384
02:07:42,470 --> 02:07:40,239
been working on it since august pretty

3385
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:42,480
much and i am

3386
02:07:46,629 --> 02:07:44,800
a day two days away from turning that

3387
02:07:48,470 --> 02:07:46,639
sucker in so that's why i agreed to come

3388
02:07:51,510 --> 02:07:48,480
on here today and and go on mike's show

3389
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:51,520
on thursday that big sucker's coming

3390
02:07:56,790 --> 02:07:54,000
i have some potential

3391
02:07:57,990 --> 02:07:56,800
gravity anti-gravity sort of stories

3392
02:07:59,669 --> 02:07:58,000
coming

3393
02:08:01,669 --> 02:07:59,679
and

3394
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:01,679
i know the guys over there that report

3395
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:04,000
on uap type stuff are working on stuff

3396
02:08:07,990 --> 02:08:05,920
so stuff is coming

3397
02:08:09,910 --> 02:08:08,000
we're always working we're always always

3398
02:08:12,310 --> 02:08:09,920
working it's never a dull moment at the

3399
02:08:14,550 --> 02:08:12,320
debrief so again everything can be found

3400
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:14,560
at thedebrief.org

3401
02:08:19,350 --> 02:08:17,440
everything chris is doing uh tim

3402
02:08:21,750 --> 02:08:19,360
micah mj me

3403
02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:21,760
um my girlfriend is written excuse me my

3404
02:08:25,990 --> 02:08:23,760
fiance is written for the debrief as

3405
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:26,000
well jane you can check out her stuff

3406
02:08:29,510 --> 02:08:27,119
over there

3407
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:29,520
and everyone else we have a lot of new

3408
02:08:34,550 --> 02:08:32,239
faces and names over there as well um

3409
02:08:36,709 --> 02:08:34,560
always looking for writers so hit up mj

3410
02:08:38,629 --> 02:08:36,719
hit up chris if you're interested in any

3411
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:38,639
of the topics we discussed tonight and

3412
02:08:42,470 --> 02:08:40,800
you think you you've got what it takes

3413
02:08:44,709 --> 02:08:42,480
to write for the debrief we would love

3414
02:08:47,189 --> 02:08:44,719
to have you we are paying writers this

3415
02:08:48,709 --> 02:08:47,199
is not a volunteer job so if if you have

3416
02:08:51,149 --> 02:08:48,719
skills in writing about science and

3417
02:08:53,510 --> 02:08:51,159
you're interested reach out to mj

3418
02:08:56,069 --> 02:08:53,520
thedebrief.org or you can dm me on

3419
02:08:57,750 --> 02:08:56,079
twitter or christopher at the debrief

3420
02:08:59,589 --> 02:08:57,760
and i'll hook you up with him and if

3421
02:09:01,430 --> 02:08:59,599
you've got the goods he'll put you to

3422
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:01,440
work right we've added a bunch of

3423
02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:03,360
writers in the last couple of months uh

3424
02:09:07,990 --> 02:09:05,440
we've added some more youtube content

3425
02:09:10,149 --> 02:09:08,000
creators so uh 2022 is going to be the

3426
02:09:12,149 --> 02:09:10,159
biggest year yet for the debrief

3427
02:09:15,350 --> 02:09:12,159
seniors how it's our second year

3428
02:09:17,350 --> 02:09:15,360
yep happy birthday to the debrief chris

3429
02:09:19,830 --> 02:09:17,360
i'm gonna let you go brother before i do

3430
02:09:21,910 --> 02:09:19,840
my little ending spiel here but thank

3431
02:09:24,310 --> 02:09:21,920
you thank you for being so gracious with

3432
02:09:26,470 --> 02:09:24,320
your time and and teasing us with all of

3433
02:09:29,030 --> 02:09:26,480
your amazing articles please everyone go

3434
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:29,040
read them they're so in-depth and so

3435
02:09:34,229 --> 02:09:31,599
well researched and he has some amazing

3436
02:09:36,550 --> 02:09:34,239
interviews exclusive interviews with a

3437
02:09:39,189 --> 02:09:36,560
lot of people over there so yeah one

3438
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:39,199
thing ryan yeah one last thing if you're

3439
02:09:43,350 --> 02:09:41,520
a fan of ryan sprague

3440
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:43,360
i wrote a feature

3441
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:45,599
called canadians hate thanksgiving and

3442
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:47,599
four other things bizarre things i

3443
02:09:52,149 --> 02:09:49,920
learned while working at the debris

3444
02:09:54,390 --> 02:09:52,159
up there for a few days and there's a

3445
02:09:56,550 --> 02:09:54,400
section in there that says i want to

3446
02:09:59,350 --> 02:09:56,560
come back in my next life is ryan

3447
02:10:01,510 --> 02:09:59,360
sprague and i lay out the case and i i

3448
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:01,520
beg anyone to read that and argue with

3449
02:10:06,629 --> 02:10:04,400
me because dude is living his best life

3450
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:06,639
don't get me wrong i make great cases

3451
02:10:11,830 --> 02:10:08,960
for coming back as christina gomez and

3452
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:11,840
micah hanks too but when push came to

3453
02:10:16,870 --> 02:10:14,480
shove it spread first and everyone else

3454
02:10:19,189 --> 02:10:16,880
follows behind so you live in the life

3455
02:10:20,709 --> 02:10:19,199
man keep doing what you do can't tell

3456
02:10:23,109 --> 02:10:20,719
you how happy i am to hear that you're

3457
02:10:24,709 --> 02:10:23,119
writing screenplays every time i see

3458
02:10:27,510 --> 02:10:24,719
that stuff on twitter and you're writing

3459
02:10:29,350 --> 02:10:27,520
plays again dude put that passion in

3460
02:10:31,510 --> 02:10:29,360
that heart into it that's where the

3461
02:10:33,589 --> 02:10:31,520
magic happens with you and that computer

3462
02:10:35,990 --> 02:10:33,599
and that screen you have the ability to

3463
02:10:37,510 --> 02:10:36,000
make magic ryan so i i can't wait to see

3464
02:10:39,270 --> 02:10:37,520
what you come up with

3465
02:10:41,510 --> 02:10:39,280
thank you chris and i can't wait to see

3466
02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:41,520
what you come up with as well brother so

3467
02:10:46,310 --> 02:10:43,679
again thank you thank you for joining me

3468
02:10:48,950 --> 02:10:46,320
today and of course have a great night

3469
02:10:50,870 --> 02:10:48,960
and get back to work all right right

3470
02:10:52,629 --> 02:10:50,880
right warp story

3471
02:10:55,109 --> 02:10:52,639
write it get it out all right brother

3472
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:55,119
have a great night thanks brother take

3473
02:11:01,750 --> 02:10:59,350
wow

3474
02:11:03,750 --> 02:11:01,760
that was a hell of a show guys hell a

3475
02:11:06,550 --> 02:11:03,760
yes from ucr

3476
02:11:08,069 --> 02:11:06,560
um that was incredible we got through

3477
02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:08,079
almost every story i wanted to cover

3478
02:11:13,990 --> 02:11:10,880
with chris over at the debrief um we

3479
02:11:16,709 --> 02:11:14,000
missed one i think critical to life

3480
02:11:18,390 --> 02:11:16,719
signs of water found in distant galaxies

3481
02:11:21,030 --> 02:11:18,400
so go check that one out at the

3482
02:11:22,550 --> 02:11:21,040
debrief.org again i want to thank chris

3483
02:11:25,030 --> 02:11:22,560
for coming on the show tonight i want to

3484
02:11:27,910 --> 02:11:25,040
thank all of you who contributed to the

3485
02:11:30,550 --> 02:11:27,920
super chat and uh asked your questions

3486
02:11:32,149 --> 02:11:30,560
they were awesome um i'm gonna try to do

3487
02:11:34,709 --> 02:11:32,159
these more guys these live streams

3488
02:11:37,189 --> 02:11:34,719
they're so much fun and i love just

3489
02:11:39,510 --> 02:11:37,199
building this community of curious and

3490
02:11:42,069 --> 02:11:39,520
rebelliously curious minds if chrissy

3491
02:11:43,990 --> 02:11:42,079
newton is still watching or listening

3492
02:11:46,229 --> 02:11:44,000
and um thank you thank you for joining

3493
02:11:47,669 --> 02:11:46,239
me tonight um you know it's getting late

3494
02:11:49,990 --> 02:11:47,679
here on the east coast so i really

3495
02:11:52,390 --> 02:11:50,000
appreciate your time and everything

3496
02:11:54,709 --> 02:11:52,400
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3497
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3502
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3503
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if you want to join the patreon campaign

3504
02:12:10,790 --> 02:12:07,760
we have a patreon where you get bonus

3505
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stuff like that over there at uh

3507
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patreon.com

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02:12:21,109 --> 02:12:17,840
somewhereskies um i would really

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appreciate any and all support there to

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02:12:25,350 --> 02:12:22,400
keep the show

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uh growing and um more

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02:12:31,030 --> 02:12:28,159
more so i don't have to uh tend bar so i

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02:12:33,910 --> 02:12:31,040
don't have to make coffee drinks um yeah

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i i love doing this sort of stuff and um

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i love that you guys are willing to take

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02:12:40,470 --> 02:12:38,159
the journey with me so i will leave you

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02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:40,480
with that we have an awesome episode of

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somewhere in the skies that just

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02:12:48,709 --> 02:12:46,000
released yesterday a our 18th 18th

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02:12:51,189 --> 02:12:48,719
volume of witness accounts these are our

3521
02:12:53,109 --> 02:12:51,199
most highly downloaded episodes of

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02:12:55,669 --> 02:12:53,119
summer in the skies and this is just

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02:12:58,390 --> 02:12:55,679
where you come on the show and tell your

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02:13:00,629 --> 02:12:58,400
ufo story in your own words i don't

3525
02:13:02,629 --> 02:13:00,639
interrupt i don't get involved it's just

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02:13:04,709 --> 02:13:02,639
you telling your story how it affected

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02:13:07,189 --> 02:13:04,719
your life and what you saw what you

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02:13:09,589 --> 02:13:07,199
think you saw and um we had some pretty

3529
02:13:12,149 --> 02:13:09,599
powerful stories in this one we had an

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02:13:14,310 --> 02:13:12,159
air force guy telling a story about ufos

3531
02:13:16,709 --> 02:13:14,320
going over a flight line on an air force

3532
02:13:19,270 --> 02:13:16,719
base uh we had a guy in scotland telling

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02:13:22,229 --> 02:13:19,280
us about a ufo we saw over a body of uh

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02:13:25,589 --> 02:13:22,239
water in scotland uh ufos over a

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02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:25,599
graveyard and um ufos over a castle on

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02:13:30,709 --> 02:13:28,239
an island in italy it's just it's one of

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02:13:32,709 --> 02:13:30,719
the best witness accounts episodes i

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02:13:34,950 --> 02:13:32,719
think we've done so far so i hope you

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02:13:37,830 --> 02:13:34,960
will go check that out wherever you get

3540
02:13:40,149 --> 02:13:37,840
podcasts what else um

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02:13:43,030 --> 02:13:40,159
we're gonna have a really cool episode

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02:13:45,830 --> 02:13:43,040
coming up about a

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02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:45,840
i would say obscure ufo encounter that

3544
02:13:51,350 --> 02:13:47,760
happened to a police officer named

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02:13:54,310 --> 02:13:51,360
george wheeler um where possibly this

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02:13:56,310 --> 02:13:54,320
was a fatal encounter with the ufo a

3547
02:13:58,629 --> 02:13:56,320
little scary uh so we will definitely

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02:14:00,229 --> 02:13:58,639
touch on that very controversial case in

3549
02:14:02,149 --> 02:14:00,239
an upcoming episode of summer in the

3550
02:14:06,390 --> 02:14:02,159
skies uh but that's all i got for you

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02:14:09,149 --> 02:14:06,400
guys so um yeah check us out at um on

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02:14:12,069 --> 02:14:09,159
twitter at summer skies on instagram

3553
02:14:13,750 --> 02:14:12,079
somewhereskiespod and thank you thank

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02:14:17,189 --> 02:14:13,760
you for joining us tonight byron

3555
02:14:18,870 --> 02:14:17,199
nightgazer ucr rodrigo everyone in the

3556
02:14:21,510 --> 02:14:18,880
chat warlock i really appreciate your

3557
02:14:24,470 --> 02:14:21,520
time matthew riot and um that's all i

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02:14:26,709 --> 02:14:24,480
got guys have a great night happy

3559
02:14:29,030 --> 02:14:26,719
holiday season we're gonna have a very

3560
02:14:31,030 --> 02:14:29,040
special charity event going on at summer

3561
02:14:34,149 --> 02:14:31,040
in the skies which i will be announcing

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02:14:36,310 --> 02:14:34,159
tomorrow december 1st uh yeah i believe

3563
02:14:37,830 --> 02:14:36,320
tomorrow is december 1st so be on the

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02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:37,840
lookout for that as well and how you can

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02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:40,320
help a very amazing organization and

3566
02:14:44,470 --> 02:14:42,400
help the show as well

3567
02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:44,480
have a great night or morning wherever

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02:14:48,870 --> 02:14:46,560
you are right now to all my european

3569
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:48,880
listeners and uh remember keep your feet

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02:14:53,030 --> 02:14:51,520
on the ground but never stop searching

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02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:53,040
somewhere in the skies